|
|
01-29-2016, 11:25 AM
|
#15
|
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 3,059
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by raineman
X2 totally agree! RV's would not be selling the way they are if they were all crap. There is some total crap out there. But I won't lump all new RV's in that bucket
|
X3, we love ours, it has all the newer amenities, everything works as it should and we have not had any issues regarding quality either in the craftsmanship or the components used that you see people complaining about. I think you do get what you pay for, at least we did. We did look at some other brands that didn't have the same quality and were less money, but I wouldn't lump them all in the same category, unless you have actually experienced the issues rather than just reading about them.
__________________
Mike & Charlotte
2014 Newmar Canyon Star 3610
Orange County, California
|
|
|
|
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!
iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!
You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!
|
01-29-2016, 11:48 AM
|
#16
|
Senior Member
Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Palisade CO
Posts: 3,588
|
There is very little real leather in motor homes.
Most of it is Ultra Leather or a cheap knockoff of Ultra Leather. In my experience true Ultra Leather is very durable. A few years ago some manufacturers specified a Ultra Leather knockoff on Flexsteel seats and there were tons of complaints about how poorly it held up.
__________________
Clay WA5NMR - Ex Snowbird - 1 year, Ex Full timer for 11 years - 2004 Winnebago Sightseer 35N Workhorse chassis. Honda Accord toad.
|
|
|
01-29-2016, 12:16 PM
|
#17
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Western NY
Posts: 3,809
|
Whenever I read a thread like this it always seems to come down to kind of an old rig snobishness. It's similar to the Tiffin guy saying that Newmars are junk or Entegras are bad or whatever will justify their own purchases. I've had older rigs and I've had newer rigs and I've looked at brand new rigs and the improvements over the years are huge. The safety, handling, comfort, and just enjoyment factors are so much better in the newer rigs.
I'm glad you enjoy your rigs but we who have newer rigs enjoy ours too. If you would like to think we bought junk, well, that's your prerogative. I've had old and I've had new and I'll take new anytime and every time.
__________________
2018.5 Entegra Aspire 44R-Sold, 2019 Chevy Blazer-Sold. 2022 Genesis GV-80.
|
|
|
01-29-2016, 01:04 PM
|
#18
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Anacortes, WA (Stick & Brick)
Posts: 2,643
|
I wished they had done our (used) '02 Flexsteel seats with cloth instead of that awful imitation leather but that was a minor irritant compared to the ergonomics.
The seat cushions were much too long fore/aft even for me (5' 10") impossible for DW (<5'). There was no vertical adjustment so DW needed a foot stool in the front passenger seat. There was no sideways curvature in the seat cushions, so you were always sliding about. I wouldn't touch Flexsteel with a barge-pole!
__________________
Frank Damp -Anacortes, WA,(DW- Eileen)
ex-pat Brits (1968) and ex-RVers.
|
|
|
01-29-2016, 06:42 PM
|
#19
|
Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Sullivan Illinois
Posts: 19
|
Hi all, We purchased a 38ft. 2002 Monaco Windsor in October of 2015. Have not used it much but we really love it so far. It will be replacing a 30ft 1998 Safari Sahara when we get done cleaning it up. We really like the quality of both coaches. To bad we can't keep them both. Everything we have read about both coaches is top notch rating. This is my opinion and I am sticking to it!!!!! Thanks for hearing my opinion. Irtys Miller
__________________
2002 Monaco Windsor 38 ft
|
|
|
01-30-2016, 05:07 AM
|
#20
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Conway, SC
Posts: 2,557
|
The biggest change through the years I've seen is the use of veneers & plastics. Our trusty old 2000 Dutch Star has solid wood, beautiful oak, and no veneers throughout. The one thing I would do if I was keeping her is up grade the countertops with either granite or quartz. I'm not sure how the veneers & plastics are going to hold up through the years, only time will tell. All I can say is that there's been no deterioration of the solid wood in our 16yr. old coach.
__________________
2000 Dutch Star Pusher
2009 Saturn Vue Towed
Full timed for 6yrs.
|
|
|
01-31-2016, 07:40 AM
|
#21
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 3,722
|
The so called manufacturing standards (RVIA) are a laugh in regards to how an RV is built. Most seem to be pretty much 'pirated' from from general home building standards with no real definition of how the 'boxes', trailer, MH or whatever, are put together. Yes, there are some federal vehicle codes that must be met, but in the case of a MH, that's covered by the chassis manufacturer. In the total number of defects or shortcomings, how many are with that part of the product? Very low in comparison to the 'box' adder is my guess When we were looking in 2014 for a good used or new 5er, could not believe how much 'bling' many of the new units had added since our 2006 was built. Bling costs money but really doesn't bring a thing to the product's manufacturing process and finally the sale except appeal to many and a way for the buyer to overlook defects. That added bling is usually not very well made - Dometic, Atwood. NorCold, BAL, Lippert to name a few (yeah, I know, some are divisions of others) as evidenced by the problems seen. I had occasion to make some mods to the bed platform of our 2014 5er. If it wasn't for several hundred if not thousands staples in different lengths and wire gauge, it would be falling apart. No glue, no screws - just staples. I replaced the stairs carpeting as Keystone neglected putting padding under it - again, hundreds of staples plus the entire assembly needed to be disassembled to pull the carpet from sides of the steps - and all this held in place by about 6 hidden screws - and more staples . Ah yes, quality.
But with this all said, if you want to have a home that is a rolling home away from home, this is what you get unless you can pay for a custom built unit. As far as age, the older ones are probably a bit more strongly built but at the price of less 'bling'. Pick out what you want, used or new, negotiate your price then go enjoy. If it breaks, repair or get it fixed and continue on your way. Just remember that your S&B can have as many or more problems too
__________________
Dave W
2011 Ford F250 6.7 Lariat CCLB, Gone but not forgotten
2014 Montana High Country 343RL (sold it!)
|
|
|
01-31-2016, 08:10 AM
|
#22
|
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 8,777
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by IC2
The so called manufacturing standards (RVIA) are a laugh in regards to how an RV is built. Most seem to be pretty much 'pirated' from from general home building standards with no real definition of how the 'boxes', trailer, MH or whatever, are put together. Yes, there are some federal vehicle codes that must be met, but in the case of a MH, that's covered by the chassis manufacturer. In the total number of defects or shortcomings, how many are with that part of the product? Very low in comparison to the 'box' adder is my guess When we were looking in 2014 for a good used or new 5er, could not believe how much 'bling' many of the new units had added since our 2006 was built. Bling costs money but really doesn't bring a thing to the product's manufacturing process and finally the sale except appeal to many and a way for the buyer to overlook defects. That added bling is usually not very well made - Dometic, Atwood. NorCold, BAL, Lippert to name a few (yeah, I know, some are divisions of others) as evidenced by the problems seen. I had occasion to make some mods to the bed platform of our 2014 5er. If it wasn't for several hundred if not thousands staples in different lengths and wire gauge, it would be falling apart. No glue, no screws - just staples. I replaced the stairs carpeting as Keystone neglected putting padding under it - again, hundreds of staples plus the entire assembly needed to be disassembled to pull the carpet from sides of the steps - and all this held in place by about 6 hidden screws - and more staples . Ah yes, quality.
But with this all said, if you want to have a home that is a rolling home away from home, this is what you get unless you can pay for a custom built unit. As far as age, the older ones are probably a bit more strongly built but at the price of less 'bling'. Pick out what you want, used or new, negotiate your price then go enjoy. If it breaks, repair or get it fixed and continue on your way. Just remember that your S&B can have as many or more problems too
|
IC2
Most of the Recreation Vehicle Industry Association (RVIA) "standards" appear to benefit RV manufactures far more than RV buyers/owners.
Mel
'96 Safari
|
|
|
01-31-2016, 08:32 AM
|
#23
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Wherever we are
Posts: 4,288
|
"Anybody have any ideas what has changed in the leather industry?"
I believe it is due to the use of Chinese cattle leather....
__________________
'16 40QBH Phaeton
'21 Sahara HA toad
'15 38RSSA Mobile Suites--traded
'05 36TK3 Mobile Suites--retired but not forgotten
|
|
|
01-31-2016, 09:08 AM
|
#24
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 3,722
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by mel s
IC2
Most of the Recreation Vehicle Industry Association (RVIA) "standards" appear to benefit RV manufactures far more than RV buyers/owners.
Mel
'96 Safari
|
For sure. I was going to comment on that as well as post a link but got called for breakfast and CRS had happened by the time I got back to the 'puter
__________________
Dave W
2011 Ford F250 6.7 Lariat CCLB, Gone but not forgotten
2014 Montana High Country 343RL (sold it!)
|
|
|
01-31-2016, 10:40 AM
|
#25
|
Senior Member
Florida Cooters Club Appalachian Campers Coastal Campers Carolina Campers
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Nature Coast FL
Posts: 1,728
|
You would expect that manufacturers would put their best foot forward at RV shows. Yet here's two photos from this year's Tampa RV Super Show. When my untrained eye sees things like this, one wonders what hides underneath.
__________________
Dave & Jo Ann
2008 HitchHiker Champagne 35LKRSB | 2011 F350 Lariat 6.7PSD | Many great memories!
|
|
|
01-31-2016, 05:54 PM
|
#26
|
Senior Member
Fleetwood Owners Club Ford Super Duty Owner
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Bartlett, TN
Posts: 1,324
|
Shows are great for sales but horrible for the unit. We put signs on our toilets, but people don't care and take the signs off so they can use the bathroom. Of course since there is no water in the tanks "it" just sits there until we catch the problem.
When our units are made ready for a show everything is as it should be. By the end of each day, the same can't be said. People like to pull on things, let their kids climb on things, etc.
This is the reason we have technicians available at all times and a person who checks the units for problems.
Not all the problems you see at a show or dealership is caused by poor quality control. Some of it is caused by people who either don't know what they are doing and try to figure it out on their own, or people who just don't care.
As far as quality control from the manufacturers, some are definitely better than others.
__________________
Brian and Tammy
2017 Entegra Aspire 44b
2016 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited
|
|
|
02-01-2016, 06:25 AM
|
#27
|
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 128
|
RV shows are probably not the best place to get a good sampling of quality, simply because of the careless traffic they get.
But, in a general sense, quality control is lacking in the rv industry. And, according to the customer, that's acceptable. So don't expect it to change anytime soon. Just read some of the comments prevalent on these boards, "All new RV's have bugs." "Expect to return your RV to the dealer for minor fixes." "Buy used, that way the bugs are worked out." "It takes a good year to work out on the issues." Etc. etc.
The customer has been programmed to believe the falseness that there are simply too many things to inspect on the finished product.
A couple of choices (though there are many more i am sure):
1. Buy used and hope you are one of those lucky ones that gets the immaculate bug free and well-cared for rv.
2. Locate a reputable dealer and buy new. Go over the thing with a keen eye and refuse delivery until all you have found is fixed, and expect to miss a few things.
|
|
|
02-01-2016, 07:05 AM
|
#28
|
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 8,777
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian W
Shows are great for sales but horrible for the unit.
When our units are made ready for a show everything is as it should be. By the end of each day, the same can't be said. People like to pull on things, let their kids climb on things, etc.
|
Brian W
If an RV is not built well enough to hold up for 2-3 days while on display it certainly will not hold up for years and miles of use.
Me thinks if RVs where built with quality in the first place fewer things would break if/when potential customers pull on, or let their kids climb on, (aka: USE), things in/on RVs displayed at RV shows.
Mel
'96 Safari, (146k miles)
|
|
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
» Recent Discussions |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|