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Old 12-14-2005, 06:22 AM   #15
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Are you saying that because the Military is paid with tax money that the military camp grounds are tax supported?

Don't you think that is pushing the issue beyond reasonable, my goodness if you want to look at it that way then every where a military person or government employee spends their pay is "your tax dollars at work" and that includes just about every type of civilian business in the USA

The point we were making is that there are 2 distinctly different types of facilities on Military bases. Those that are supported by appropriated funds from the federal budget and those that are not. The MWR facilities are not supported by tax dollars appropriated by Congress, in other words Congress does not write into the budget that your tax dollars will build or support military morale/welfare/recreation (MWR)facilities.

The guy that made the tax comment to start with obviously thought his tax dollars were being appropriated by congress to build military camp grounds and it is simply not the case.

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Old 12-14-2005, 06:29 AM   #16
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Lynn, Remember that the Military pays Federal taxes that support the federal parks. When you go to a supermarket none of what you spend goes to the MWR. Now let's suppose we start comparing Military payrolls with the civilian world and you will not begrudge any Military person this small benefit. This thread started out, that the civilian CGs could take some pointers from the Military regarding the design of the CG sites,now the way it's heading will start another battle. So let's try and keep our remarks to the point originally made.
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Old 12-14-2005, 06:40 AM   #17
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One last comment I forgot to include, These camp grounds are also used by some Military personnel and their fmilies when they transfer into or out of a base as temporary housing because the lack of affordable houseing adjacent to the base.

Keep in mind that your tax dollars are used sparingly when it comes to military pay!!! Especially for enlisted personnel who benefit most from MWR facilities.

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Old 12-14-2005, 06:56 AM   #18
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Amen Terry, Whenever I stay at a Military CG, I always spot active duty personnel using the CG as Transient housing.(He's the guy leaving at 6AM reporting for duty.) These CGs aren't free there is a charge that runs from around $12 to $25 per night. The same costs as the State and Federal parks and in some cases higher. One last thought, can anyone tell me the last time a Military man was paid overtime, just think about it.
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Old 12-14-2005, 09:48 AM   #19
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I don't agree with you Terry. I don't think it is going beyond reasonability. It it what it is, a benefit to military personnel, which I said I don't think should be denied them. And it comes from taxpayer money whether or not it is directly budgeted by Congress.
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:08 AM   #20
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One question to you OK, how many times do tax dollars get spent before they are no longer tax dollars, onece, twice, three times, if they are spent in a civillian store are they no longer tax dollars, your logic just doesn't make sense to me.

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Using your logic Lynn, then a person who recieves his wages from a defense industry, is recieving tax dollars and spends them at a CG, isn't the CG being supported by tax dollars. I think your logic is skewed. I think we should quit this discussion because it isn't going anywhere...
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Old 12-14-2005, 01:15 PM   #22
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FIRST OFF, I am for the military campgrounds. I use em.

However, in fairness, ALL military camgrounds are on MILITARY property. You think the profits or proceeds of the PX etc. pay for that ground? Lets not quibble about who pays for it.
Argue this point instead___ BY GOD THE MILITARY AND DOD PEOPLE EARNED this.

Thank you military personnell, I was one, and I pray for you each night. Thank you Thankyou Thank you.

And if there is anything I can ever do to help one in need, here I am.
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Old 12-14-2005, 02:59 PM   #23
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OK yall, the thread started out as a discussion of how well planned and maintained the Military campgrounds were. The thread has deviated from that discussion to a discussion on how they are funded and why.

Please refrain from the off topic discussion and return it to its intended purpose or it will unfortunately need to be locked/closed.

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Hey Terry , I am going to have to check that out. We have used several across the country. We have been to Admiral Bakersfield the most.
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There are 2 in that area, Point Mugu and Port Hueneme. Mugu is an older park not nearly as nice as Hueneme but Mugu is right on the beach.

Hueneme is about 4 blocks from the gate by the main exchange, commisary and exchange gas station. They have it set up so you can enter through a truck entrance when you first arrive and are towing so you don't have to worry about entry barricades. If you are a Golfer, Hueneme is great as it is right next to the Golf Course.

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