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Old 03-31-2013, 10:58 AM   #1
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Seat belt laws

Why do so many states with seat belt laws allow riders in the back of pick-ups, even on the highway. This makes no sense to me.
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:12 AM   #2
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Why do so many states with seat belt laws allow riders in the back of pick-ups, even on the highway. This makes no sense to me.
Looks like about 19 states permit it. Strange.

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Old 03-31-2013, 11:16 AM   #3
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They generally do not. That doesn't mean that people follow the rules, it just means they haven't passed the right cop yet. Federal folks want everyone buckled up and if the states aren't willing to go along with that by making it their law, the feds have withheld federal highway safety funds (a part of the fed fuel tax you pay when buying gas) that come back to the states. This is BIG MONEY and the state usually gets on the stick and passes the necessary law. There may be 1 or 2 holdouts out there, but I'd doubt there are 5. It's been a few years since I checked.
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:23 AM   #5
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30 states prohibit riding in the cargo area of a pickup. At one time I think it was legal in all states. What gets me are states that allow motorcyclists to ride without helmets. By the 1970's almost all states required them, then riders started protesting and the law was repealed in well over half of the states. My brother ran a Yamaha shop and when asked about helmets he'd reply, "You only need one if you have something in your brain worth protecting." He always rode with a helmet and leathers for safety. I understand it's your right to ride without a helmet or in the back of a pickup, put I think those so inclined should have to post a bond to cover the medical expenses when they crash. Why should be all be burdened with higher insurance rates so others have the freedom to be 'free'?
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:28 AM   #6
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According to this chart Seat Belts | AAA/CAA Digest of Motor Laws, 24 states allow adults to travel in pick up beds. When seat belt laws were first mandated, we lived in a very rural area, and pick ups were exempted from seat belt laws, even in the passenger areas. When we go to visit there now, I have noticed that most of the people I see driving there in trucks are not wearing any. I have not kept up with laws recently as I no longer drive pick ups and use seat belts anyway.
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Well, while on this subject, I love to watch a show called, "The First 48", its a cop show.
Almost NONE of the officers on the show, these are actual police officers wear seat belts, almost all talk on their cell phones while driving, no hands free device. Most type into a computer while driving. Kinda drives me nuts.
As a former Chief of Police, I required my officers (6) yeah we had a small department, to wear their seat belts, heard alot of complaints but never had it really interfere with the officers ability to exit the vehicles quickly.
I firmly believe in wearing seat belts, I could relate several stories as to how they have saved me personally, however, I do NOT believe that the government should regulate the wearing of seat belts, nor helmets on motorcycles.
Illinois, will ticket you for not wearing a seat belt, primary violation, but you can ride your motorcycle without a helmet???
Missouri will ticket you for not wearing a seat belt, if they stop you for something else, light out, speeding etc., and they will ticket you for not wearing a helmet on your motorcycle, primary violation.
OH well I'm ranting, guess my point is if you enforce the laws, you don't have to abide by them?
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Seems like legally I should be able to ride in a fifth wheel if I can ride in the bed of a pickup. Neither make sense but why one is legal in TN (pickup) and why one is not (fifth wheel) seems just stupid.
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In CA, LEO's are specifically exempted from cell phone usage laws. I don't know if seat belt usage is also exempt.
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In Florida you can go without a helmet on a bike BUT you had better have an insane amount of insurance to go with that. Me? You better believe it a helmet, jeans, closed toed shoes (more often then not its boots thou) and a jacket to cover arms. Oh and everyone that would ride with me on the back would also be covered the same way.
Saved me and the youngest son when there was an accident on the bike. All I got was a broke leg from the weight of the bike and he got a little scratch on one finger since I did not require gloves. As a matter of fact if he was not wearing Thom's full face helmet that day, according to the paramedics he would have lost half an ear from the way it was damaged. Thing is you cannot control when and where you are going to have an accident and I will be prepared all I can for the just in case.
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Most seat belt laws require the passenger to use the seat belt if there is one provided, but do not specify that every passenger is every vehicle must have a seat belt. Some common exceptions are buses (even school buses), motor cycles, and , yes, passengers behind the driving area of a motorhome.

I never felt that things should be illegal just because they are foolish. Foolish behavior helps to cleanse the gene pool!
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In our province passengers aren't allowed to ride in the back of a pick up truck and animals must be tethered when riding in the back of the truck. Now that's something that should be illegal.
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I understand it's your right to ride without a helmet or in the back of a pickup, put I think those so inclined should have to post a bond to cover the medical expenses when they crash. Why should be all be burdened with higher insurance rates so others have the freedom to be 'free'?
I hear you... but we'd need to apply the same logic to obese people ordering double Quarter Pounders with cheese.

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I'm not as put off by the fact that many of our laws conflict or seem not to make sense as I am by existing laws that are willfully violated; seat belts, cell phones, helmets etc. There are consequences.

Recently a guy ran in to the back of a mini van full of people. He was drunk and speeding. But five persons, children and family died in the mini van. No seat belts. Senseless and unnecessary deaths.

My brother in law takes off w/o his seat belts on, guess what so do his kids.

Laws can be changed, modified, done away with by citizen actions, death is unchangeable

Leaves me cold.
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