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Old 11-02-2012, 10:03 PM   #29
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I guess Im confused.
Apparently the Ala workers are non union. Is that correct?
And according to some union workers here, you must be a union man/woman to be qualified to be called what ever it is you do .

If the Ala workers are not union, and some say they cant be good at the job, then where did I get off the track? Why wouldl you allow someone who is not qualified to do the job, do the job?

Man, this is ureal in America.................................

"Communications with Seaside Heights was poor due to lack of cell phone service in the area," the statement said. "Upon arriving at a staging area in Virginia, crews were held in place pending clarification of documents received from IBEW (International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers)***They are the law now? **** that implied a requirement of our employees to agree to union affiliation while working in the New York and New Jersey areas. ***(huh why)****

It was and remains our understanding that agreeing to those requirements was a condition of being allowed to work in those areas. *** This is what you get trying to help your fellow American?*****

"As we waited for clarification, we became aware that Seaside Heights had received the assistance they needed from other sources, **** Strange*****

To be clear, at no time were our crews "turned away" from the utility in Seaside Heights.

"In connection with state and regional public power associations, Decatur Utilities attempted to contact other areas that needed assistance. However, based on the uncertainty of union requirements ****you must be kidding me***** that we could not agree to and the uncertainty of whether a resolution could be reached, we ultimately made the decision to return them to Decatur after being stalled in the Virginia area most of the day on Thursday."

George Kitchens, GM and CEO of Joe Wheeler EMC - a union shop - told CBS News that the initial report that Joe Wheeler linemen had been turned away was "completely off-base." ***Well explain what not being able to work is ******

Kitchens said eight linemen from Joe Wheeler were among 145 Alabama linemen who traveled to Maryland and Virginia in response to calls for help with repair efforts. ****Must not have been much of an emergency then huh?*****

"They rode out the storm, and then did repair work there," Kitchens said. "Our people are on the way back home, [but] it's not from being turned away."


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Old 11-02-2012, 10:42 PM   #30
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Originally Posted by racefn
I happen to be a union Electrician and damn proud of it, I'm sorry most of you don't like people making a decent living and or belong to a skilled trade, I guess i know which lever your pulling , last week you were a carpenter, plumber or maybe just a know it all and this week your an electrician, save us all some grief and go wire your neighbors house, I'll fix it when your done...... Jeesh there rebuilding the power grid in those areas not wiring toasters.
Hate to disappoint you, but I was in one of those precious unions for 10 years, as an electrician and they are worthless. It doesn't matter of what you know, only how long you been there. Unions are only good for mediocre workers. I paid more union dues than people that had more union rights than I did. If you know what you are doing and will work 100% of the time you are at work you don't need a union.

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Update: The utility company put out a press release explaining what happened. They say they were not “turned away” but were told they would have had to sign an agreement allowing their employees to join the union in order to do work in the area. They were also told that there was no need for more utility workers. (Tell that to the people without power.) There were similar requirements in other areas, and the company said it could not agree to those requirements so the employees were sent home. So in effect, the unions did keep these workers from helping to restore power to the people who need it

If they signed papers to join the union, would that give the unions the right to come to Alabama?
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Old 11-03-2012, 08:24 AM   #32
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Originally Posted by racefn View Post
I happen to be a union Electrician and damn proud of it, I'm sorry most of you don't like people making a decent living and or belong to a skilled trade, I guess i know which lever your pulling , last week you were a carpenter, plumber or maybe just a know it all and this week your an electrician, save us all some grief and go wire your neighbors house, I'll fix it when your done...... Jeesh there rebuilding the power grid in those areas not wiring toasters.
I have seen the work these non-union electricians do down south and it can be pretty bad. Like anything, some non-union electricians can do good work, but it begs the question, why would very good workers work for less and get less beniffits? Generally they don't. The very skilled go where the money is, union.
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Originally Posted by jmrkav View Post
I have seen the work these non-union electricians do down south and it can be pretty bad. Like anything, some non-union electricians can do good work, but it begs the question, why would very good workers work for less and get less beniffits? Generally they don't. The very skilled go where the money is, union.

And by the same token, I have seen plenty of "Union" electrical work up north that should never have been done by anyone with any electrical knowledge.

My brother was a "union electrician" just so he could work. They let anyone in the union just so the union could collect dues. He soon moved to another shop, non-union and made more money, plus no dues.

You can see the intent of the union when they let them join their union to work. All they are after is the money to support the crooked union bosses.

I have had plenty of experience dealing with unions in the field and life is much simpler without them, plus I got better quality work without the union.

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I didn't start this thread to "bash the union". In my line of work, I have seen and been in the middle of several national disasters (hurricanes, floods, tornadoes and the such). I posted this because millions of Americans are hurting at this time. Any and all help to start these communities on the road to recovery is the more important factor. If this continues to be a "I'm for or against unions", I will request the mods close and remove this thread.
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Old 11-03-2012, 08:37 AM   #35
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Having memory of major hurricanes since 1969, Camille, Elena, Fredrick, Ivan, and of course Katrina, I never cared if the power workers who came in to assist were union or non union. I remember seeing caravans of power trucks and equipment rolling into our community and beginning to work long hours to help restore power to our homes. I remember it to be done professionally, safely and quickly. These guys left their families to work in areas with no power, and no water, and in most cases no where to comfortably sleep. They worked long hours, hot days, and completed their tasks. Not one time did I or my neighbors question thier abilties or their union affliliation. We were grateful. Hats off to the guys that do this when needed.

I could care less if you are union affiliated or not, it's your choice. But......there are highly skilled and professional people who are not. Me personally, I don't need anyone taking money from my pocket "union dues" to tell me if I'm getting a good benefits or wages. As I've told others before, you knew the pay and the benefits when you accepted the job. If it's not what you want, move on.
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I pay dues and belong to a union,do I like everything about it ,NO! do I make a good wage , yes. Does making a good wage make me smarter or has to do with the work I do, no. Every person union or not has work ethics and the job that they do is up to each person. As far as the union people in n.j. being better trained than people from down south,maybe? Do I think that the non-union people are trained properly in thier job when working with national power grids? I will leave this question for each person that reads this to discide on thier own.
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Although I am reluctant in wade in on this particular issue as I doubt the information is complete (it seldom is).

What I can tell you is that I own a small union construction company (Building Trades) and generally speaking the quality of men provided is excellent.

I enjoy the fact that the men come fully ticketed or they are apprentices. I also like the fact that I can call up the hall and order one, two or 500 men. I believe that it would be very to try hiring qualified by advertising in the newspaper.

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I worked my share of disasters like Sandy and ice storms on telecommunications not electric. I can tell you it is dangerous work. Fortunately unions insure that companies keep workers safe and have the proper safety equipment.

I never saw anyone turned down that came to help because of non union status. I have seen out of state companies required to pay union scale to their workers though. Funny no one ever turned down the money.

When we did restore service after those disasters I got a great sense of pride helping restore service. We worked long hours for weeks at at time with no days off. Sure the money was good but it still gave me a good feeling to help out.
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Hmm! If you climb a pole to work with high voltage electrical lines, you better know what you are doing or you will not last very long. Your affiliations will have nothing to do with your ability. A lineman in any state has the necessary skills to do the job he is trained for.

Just one little story: My son was a self-employed hot-shot driver. He delivered a small, about 2 pound package, to a petrochemical warehouse here in the area. By the time he cleared the gate and got to the warehouse, walked in, it was 1 minute past 12 noon. The warehouse person was just sitting down at the lunch table. My son asked if he could sign for the package. Mind you, just a signature. His reply, "You'll have to come back in 30 minutes, union rules." Give me a break! My son had to wait 30 minutes forfeiting other delivers, and making more of "his" livelihood.
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The majority of the modern Unions are not the Unions off the past, when they truly protected the "working class" (whatever that means).

Todays Unions do more harm to the "working class", excluding SOME of their members, than good.

Some leaders of todays Unions actually advocate the overthrow of the United States, and are members of socialist societies, and documented as such in numerous ways, and available to those that care.

I'd like to see the day that they are limited to working conditions, and safety, ONLY!

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This is a comment posted below the story the link takes you to;

"I'm thinking the reason they said "no thanks" to non-union workers is because they know that union workers MUST meet certain standards of competency and training and they can be confident the people showing up to help won't need supervision..."

Union or not, I want the most highly trained and competent person working on the power grids. Doesn't that make sense?
If a worker can prove to me that they have a license, continuing education in a specific trade and will personally stand behind their work, they are all right in my book.

We also have to keep in mind that there are codes (which are laws) in place to preserve and protect the safety of citizens.

Union locals are protected by law and have the right and responsibility to protect their work in their jurisdiction.
Thats not what the NJ utility and IBEW says.. they were to 'agree to union affiliation' before being allowed to work. They admit it...
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Officials from the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers presented Alabama-based Decatur Utilities with documents that “required our folks to affiliate with the union,” Ray Hardin, general manager of Decatur, told FOX Business on Friday. “That was something that we could not agree to. It was our understanding and still is that it was a requirement for us to work in that area.”

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