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Old 04-13-2011, 02:24 PM   #71
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Part of the problem may be due to the amount of people that get their paychecks from the government. In the 60's there was 2 manufacturing jobs for one government job, now there is 2 government jobs for every one manufacturing job in the U.S.
Cherylv, The total number of government jobs federal, state and local according to the 2009 employment data from the Census Bureau is 19,630,886. Still a big number. SS makes that look small. Total number receiving Social Security alone is 51,616,000 and that's Feb 2011. The total for ALL beneficiaries is 59,618,000! I call this the PAYROLL. Capitalized because it deserves it. Soon, in 3 years it will be the PAYROLL.
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Old 04-13-2011, 02:31 PM   #72
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SS was bad enough for me to stand since I fought against it. Now this threat of big brother health care, which I don't need, is really putting me over the edge. What was the sense behind all of our, (wife and I), planning? Why did we waste money on long term health care plans? Started well before we needed it. The crazy clowns just won't stop shaking my cage.
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SS was bad enough for me to stand since I fought against it. Now this threat of big brother health care, which I don't need, is really putting me over the edge. What was the sense behind all of our, (wife and I), planning? Why did we waste money on long term health care plans? Started well before we needed it. The crazy clowns just won't stop shaking my cage.
Woody are you really old enough to have fought against Social Security in the 30's, if so you've probably collected your contributions many times over LOL
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I'll make a wager; all those over the age of 65 that oppose SS and the health care system are collecting the SS check every month and get the discount on their drugs from medicade.
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hondo122. No. Just did not want to participate. Saw a better use of the money. My pocket. Never felt the desire for someone to take care of me. Since I was forced to participate, I take even though we don't need it. They still get a chunk back in taxes.

I also take that service connected disability check. Didn't take that check until, one day, after visiting the VA for that disability and one month later getting a BILL in the mail. The then built up irritation with the VA got the better of me. At that point my self imposed attitude of YOU LEAVE ME ALONE AND I'LL LEAVE YOU ALONE ended.
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I'll make a wager; all those over the age of 65 that oppose SS and the health care system are collecting the SS check every month and get the discount on their drugs from medicade.
Do you mean like ... "Get rid of these guldarned Socialist programs (but don't touch my Medicare and Social Security)!?"
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I'm sorry, if you really look at the US spending... less then 10 % of GNP is spent on social welfare programs including medicare and SS. On the other hand 67% IS SPENT ON MILITARY. If we withdraw our troops and withdraw out of military funding weapons, we could fund all programs, feed the poor, provide universal health care to everyone, and have the best education the world can provide. Instead, we choose to fight wars in foreign lands where we are not wanted and let our own children starve. We put our young people in harms way and we do not tax equally the wealthy and large corporations as we do the middle class.

The tea party is propogating war on labor and the middle class while the rich speak of too much governmental interference. Remember all of this when it's time to cast a vote. 1/3rd of our own poputation decide the rules because the other 2/3rds don't vote and we whine about how it ends up? Go vote!!!!!
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I'm sorry, if you really look at the US spending... less then 10 % of GNP is spent on social welfare programs including medicare and SS. On the other hand 67% IS SPENT ON MILITARY. If we withdraw our troops and withdraw out of military funding weapons, we could fund all programs, feed the poor, provide universal health care to everyone, and have the best education the world can provide. Instead, we choose to fight wars in foreign lands where we are not wanted and let our own children starve. We put our young people in harms way and we do not tax equally the wealthy and large corporations as we do the middle class.

The tea party is propogating war on labor and the middle class while the rich speak of too much governmental interference. Remember all of this when it's time to cast a vote. 1/3rd of our own poputation decide the rules because the other 2/3rds don't vote and we whine about how it ends up? Go vote!!!!!
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Well said Paul
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It seems to me that it matters not what party you support, the marching orders come from the 1%, JMHO
Now your on the right track with our 2 party system, except It's far fewer then the top 1% that give the orders. All of our appointed leaders come and go.
The Feds are more powerful then you think.
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Now your on the right track with our 2 party system, except It's far fewer then the top 1% that give the orders. All of our appointed leaders come and go.
The Feds are more powerful then you think.
Don't believe it for a minute, "The Feds" are just another name. Reality is the very few super elite rich of the world make the economic decisions and let the rest of us deal with the aftermath. Local politics still works but at the highest levels it's far from the one person can make a difference it used to be. JMHO
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. If we withdraw our troops and withdraw out of military funding weapons, we could fund all programs, feed the poor, provide universal health care to everyone, and have the best education the world can provide.
Go vote!!!!!
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Do you fully understand the implications of what you are stating?
Arms and advanced weapons are one of the few things that are still manufactured in the good ol' USA. Stop war and be prepared for a whole lot more people in the unemployment lines.
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Do you fully understand the implications of what you are stating?
Arms and advanced weapons are one of the few things that are still manufactured in the good ol' USA. Stop war and be prepared for a whole lot more people in the unemployment lines.
I'd say be prepared to learn a new language in short order! Just because we haven't had a war on our soil since WW2 it could happen quickly.
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Don't believe it for a minute, "The Feds" are just another name. JMHO
The Feds I am referring to is the Federal Reserve System. They are real.
Also known as (aka) The Central Banking System. You know, the 12 regional banks that print all of our money and who also are responsible for quantitive easing. They print print and print, then wonder why gas and food prices are rising.
Hang onto your bootstraps, it's going to be a wild ride! JMHO
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This might be my last post for a while...Just sold the coach. But for what it's worth, if you don't like what is happening with your government, go vote for someone else and stop sending these career politicians back to DC so they can keep screwing us.


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