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Old 04-07-2006, 08:15 AM   #1
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A friend sent this "Joke" to me..
The problem with is, although it is supposed to be a joke, it scares the heck out of me and should scare every American..

Here is the joke ....

Last week I purchased a burger and fries at McDonalds for $3.58.
The counter girl took my $4.00 and I pulled 8 cents from my pocket
and gave it to her.
She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies.

While looking at the screen on her register, I sensed her discomfort and
tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help.

While he tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried.

Why do I tell you this?

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the
1950's:

Teaching Math In 1950:

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
Cost of production is 4/5 of the price.
What is his Profit?

Teaching Math In 1960:

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80.
What Is his profit?

Teaching Math In 1970:

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.
His cost of production is $80.
Did he make a profit?

Teaching Math In 1980:

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.
His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20
Your assignment: Underline the number 20.


Teaching Math In 1990:

A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is
selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the
habitat of animals or the preservation of our
woodlands.
He does this so he can make a profit of $20.

What do you think of this way of making a living?

Topic for class participation after answering the Question:

How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes?
(There are no wrong answers.)


Teaching Math In 2005:

Un ranchero vende una carretera de madera para $100.
El cuesto de la produccion era $80. Cuantos tortillas
Se puede comprar?
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Old 04-07-2006, 08:15 AM   #2
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A friend sent this "Joke" to me..
The problem with is, although it is supposed to be a joke, it scares the heck out of me and should scare every American..

Here is the joke ....

Last week I purchased a burger and fries at McDonalds for $3.58.
The counter girl took my $4.00 and I pulled 8 cents from my pocket
and gave it to her.
She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies.

While looking at the screen on her register, I sensed her discomfort and
tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but she hailed the manager for help.

While he tried to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried.

Why do I tell you this?

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the
1950's:

Teaching Math In 1950:

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
Cost of production is 4/5 of the price.
What is his Profit?

Teaching Math In 1960:

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80.
What Is his profit?

Teaching Math In 1970:

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.
His cost of production is $80.
Did he make a profit?

Teaching Math In 1980:

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100.
His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20
Your assignment: Underline the number 20.


Teaching Math In 1990:

A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is
selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the
habitat of animals or the preservation of our
woodlands.
He does this so he can make a profit of $20.

What do you think of this way of making a living?

Topic for class participation after answering the Question:

How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes?
(There are no wrong answers.)


Teaching Math In 2005:

Un ranchero vende una carretera de madera para $100.
El cuesto de la produccion era $80. Cuantos tortillas
Se puede comprar?
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Old 04-07-2006, 12:18 PM   #3
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Okay --- now I'm wondering - will all of those who made a profit in the past get amnesty, too?
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Old 04-07-2006, 02:36 PM   #4
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Sorry to sound like a broken record, but once again, this is one reason why I homeschool.
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Old 04-07-2006, 04:22 PM   #5
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Excellent!!!

This is not a joke...it's real life. It's not only amazing how much the public doesn't know, but how much the teaching profession doesn't know.
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Old 04-07-2006, 04:43 PM   #6
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We gotta get back to the gazunta's.

Like 5 gazunta 40 - 8 times. And so on.

I'm more worried about having to learn Farsi than Spanish.
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Old 04-07-2006, 07:16 PM   #7
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Sorry Webster, Not the teacher's fault, they do not have a choice in what they teach, the state/federal people tell them what they will do down to the minute they do it. God forbid that a monitor would walk into a clasroom and the teacher is not teaching what the schedule says they will do at that minute. ALL TO PASS required state/federal testing which has nothing to do with learning!

Do not blame the teachers, they have no choice, that is why they are leaving by droves.

Just for info, I'm not a former teacher, assocated with , nor a ax grinder, the parents are at fault for not standing up and taking charge of the system and how teaching is being handled.

Okay, off my soap box, but this is not because of teachers, parents are at fault.

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Old 04-08-2006, 05:27 AM   #8
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there are also problems with plain analytical skills. At work we have a cafeteria. Everyday I buy a large coffee, bagel and cream cheese (each are charged separately). the cashier simply has to punch button on the register; they being: <UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>large coffee<LI>bagel<LI>cream cheese[/list]
Don't you know I pay a different price every day. I used to stand there and argue with them but soon figured out, at the end of the week (with the highs and lows) it is a wash. Besides, arguing with someone who simply looks at you like you have two fish heads is pointless.
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I'd agree with both sequence in the first post and with the Rupps.

In science, you form a hypothesis and then you prove it, with solid evidence. In our education system, the techniques used are simply the brainchildren of educators working on advanced degrees and often have no foundation in facts and no evidence that those techniques help kids learn.

When you couple a poorly devised education system with parents who are more worried about their kids getting to soccer practice than whether those kids are learning math and reading, you have a prescription for producing third world educational results.
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The parents' hands are tied as well in many cases. The school board doesn't ask them and won't listen to them. Some courts have even gone on to say that once the children are on school property the parents have no say in what goes on. THAT is the problem. When parents' do stand up, they are told to shut up. That they are not the professionals and they don't know what's right for their own children.

A couple of years ago I considered putting my dd in a public school. I stopped by the school to talk to the principle about their curriculum. They acted like I was offending them. Like I had "2 fish heads". Why did I want to know? Uh, because it is MY child!!! They said the principle was busy. I asked if I could make an appt to see her. She rolled her eyes and took my name and number and said that she would call. I never heard from them. Needless to say, I am still homeschooling. How dare they be offended that I want to know what they are teaching MY child!!!

In homeschooling, we can go as fast or as slow as she needs to go. She is in 4th grade and is dyslexic and has central auditory processing disorder. Her reading level is now on target after a lot of hard work. Her spelling is on 2nd grade level. She is on 5th grade math level. If she has got the concept down, we move on, if not, we continue to go over it until she has mastered it. In regular classrooms, it doesn't matter if you have it or not, the class moves on.

DH wants her to go to public school next year because she is asking to. I submit to his decision, but we both agree to watch closely what is going on and if we don't like it, she comes home immediately.

Don't blame the parents or the teachers. It is the whole system that needs revamped and become child centered. If more parents homeschooled, this would solve a lot of the problems.
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As a former fast food manager for 10 years
I could not tell you how many kids could
not make change without the register telling
them what to do. I trained them using monopoly
money so I didn't get that call from the counter
to help them. I hired 14-17 year olds so my front counter could speak english.
Just my 2 cents or is it 10 cents or "manager to the front counter please"
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I think the problem lies in the fact that we set our priorities backwards ... we are willing to pay some 'bimbo' $40 MILLION to read a teleprompter or shoot a basket, while paying someone who teachers our children a wage close to the poverty line. In this area a lot of teachers are leaving teaching because they can't afford the housing .... sad, very sad indeed!
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chasfm11 wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I'd agree with both sequence in the first post and with the Rupps.

In science, you form a hypothesis and then you prove it, with solid evidence. In our education system, the techniques used are simply the brainchildren of educators working on advanced degrees and often have no foundation in facts and no evidence that those techniques help kids learn.

When you couple a poorly devised education system with parents who are more worried about their kids getting to soccer practice than whether those kids are learning math and reading, you have a prescription for producing third world educational results.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I absolutely agree with that, plus another thing.

For the last 40 years, all I've heard is "we need more money to fix this!". There has been one massive increase after another in educational budgets to "fix" the problem and as you well know it has failed completely- and they still want even more money! Unfortunately, the education system turned into big business long ago. The true goals of education have been left behind.

Another thing that goes along with that is the idea that everyone should go to college (this is just plain and simple job security for the educational system). Well if everyone goes to college, then you will have to dumb down the courses so that everyone can earn a degree. In my opinion only those truly able to earn their way into a college should go. Now this would be based on standards of a past age not the standards of today employed by many universities.

However, this will be very hard to change, since big business education has convinced the private sector, as well as government, that a college degree is needed for most jobs. Well, you do need a college degree when the current educational system takes 16 years (and billions more dollars) to teach our kids what they need to know, when we used to do it in 12 years, 40 or 50 years ago.

The parents need to get involved, take control of the educational system, return it to a system that actually educates our children within 12 years, and get off this idea that everyone needs to go to college or that a college degree is needed for most jobs.

OK, I have my fire retardant suit on.
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