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Old 10-19-2011, 11:22 AM   #141
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If you are a stockholder and you dont like the return you are getting, SIMPLY SELL YOUR STOCK and go elsewhere. Whats so hard about that ?

Ill take the money I paid into SS and the money I matched my employees ANYDAY , ANYTIME, and a measley 4% interest on it all .

Send me the check.

Since I am a disabled vet, and I get VA care WHICH I DARNED WELL EARNED, then I want all my medicare money back to.

Send me the check.
Or dont you think I should get VA care?
That's the spirit, Mick
We'll send back every penny you paid in, minus whatever we've already sent/spent on you!
If you tell me what year/age you retired at, how many years you worked, and what you did for a living, I can give you a rough estimate of how much you'll be getting back...

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Thank you................

I started paying SS in 1955 and continured until 2005. I had 240 employees who I matched their ss and medicare from 1980 until 2005.

Please send me the check. I Started drawing SS in 2007 and I draw the max.
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Thank you................

I started paying SS in 1955 and continured until 2005. I had 240 employees who I matched their ss and medicare from 1980 until 2005.

Please send me the check. I Started drawing SS in 2007 and I draw the max.
Okie Dokie!

So-
Are we to understand that you, as a Successfully Self-Employed Person, contributed the Maximum Allowable Amount every year for fifty years?

Thanks!


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Mick "If you are a stockholder and you dont like the return you are getting, SIMPLY SELL YOUR STOCK and go elsewhere. Whats so hard about that ?" That is not a solution to the problem. The problem is that many of the higher ups in public companies extract huge money due to their ability to do so. Unless the actual owners of the company (The shareholders) object and make noise then this problem will never be corrected.

wildtoad "Who cares what the ceo of say Reynolds American makes?" I care. Excessive CEO and top management compensation is a recent problem in the USA. It is especially egregious during times of significant economic problems like now. It has to be stopped. As I said in my last post. Owners of companies can make whatever they make as long as it's legal, but workers in public companies are a different story. The current system is in the same area of stupidity that says 27 year old stockbrokers should make 5 million dollars. So I go back to my post. Any hired hand making more than double the President of the USA (The World's toughest job) is making too much.

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Old 10-19-2011, 02:58 PM   #145
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Aren't most professional athlete's just hired hands? Everybody is selling something they own, the talent to hit a baseball or the ability to run a multi million dollar company. You have decided that $800,000 is the most anyone should earn, what if I think the most everyone should earn is $1000? You are headed down a slippery slope my friend. Sounds like socialism to me.
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wildtoad "Who cares what the ceo of say Reynolds American makes?" I care. Excessive CEO and top management compensation is a recent problem in the USA. It is especially egregious during times of significant economic problems like now. It has to be stopped. As I said in my last post. Owners of companies can make whatever they make as long as it's legal, but workers in public companies are a different story. The current system is in the same area of stupidity that says 27 year old stockbrokers should make 5 million dollars. So I go back to my post. Any hired hand making more than double the President of the USA (The World's toughest job) is making too much.

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If that 27 year old stock broker receives $5mill in income then I would suggest he generated far more in revenue to the company he works for and his management is fine with it. And I suspect the stockholders are fine with it also as long as the value of the stock goes up or dividends are still paid.

I fail to understand why you think that public companies should be treated differently than privately held companies in regards to executive compensation. Public companies are not public servants nor are they owned by the general populace. You decide if you want to invest in these companies and if you don't like the ceo's compensation package then you are free to vote with your feet (sell your shares) or propose changes to the board. If enough other stockholders agree then changes will occur.

I agree that executive compensation has dramatically increased over the past several decades but the last thing we should want is to have government set limits. I can say that when I last worked, I never questioned what the ceo was paid. I saw how hard he worked, was well treated by the company, earned a good salary, and had great benefits. I suppose that if I felt I was underpaid or mistreated I would find some reason to complain about what the boss was being paid.


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And you think an owner should be prepared to deal with those problems that has nothing to do with him? Not me. Ill take a worker instead of an excuser.
We are people not slaves. I dont have an owner, im a rental.
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To all the posters who are/was business owners.

Would you hire a person who has been on unemployment for 99 weeks??

Only yes or no, no maybe depending on ____.

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A lot of employers will use the big gap to act like a vulture and offer a lower wage than normal thinking the person would dig ditches for mcdonalds pay.
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Yes thats absolutly right, if a company pulls in a profit big or small the guys at the top have dibs on said profit! BUT if the company becomes insolvent...... Then they should not be allowed to jump out with a "Golden Parachute" of millions of dallars. Then turn around and be hired by the gov. to help decide where the bailout monies go! And once again even the bail out money can't be gauranteed to stay in the USA.

Does it make You MAD or Does it make Your HEAD SPIN?
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LOL actually it makes me wonder and shake my head as to how we the general public can elect politicans that do just that. But then I realize we are free to make the dumbest mistakes possible in life.
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UFO Pilot & Wildtoad - It is common to use some words to get an emotional response. Socialism and Liberal are two that come to mind. The word socialism has a bad connotation because of the failures in the last century of many so called "socialist" countries. Most notably the USSR. Not all socialism is bad. Some is. All of the governments in this World today in some way use "socialism" of some kind. For example, public school could be called socialism. We are basically taking money from people in a general way and then giving an education to children. Medicare is for sure socialized medicine. So be careful when you throw out the word as an emotion laden negative.

My comments on CEO pay have to do with the fact that over the last 40 years of my working life the middle class in this country has been much reduced. Money has very much flowed to the top. CEO pay today is wildly higher than when I first took a full time job in 1971. Consider someone like T Watson JR who basically gave his life and career to IBM. He changed the World. Yet he was paid a tiny fraction of what today's CEOs of many companies that are failing. But all I have indicated is action by the "owners" of the company. I do not think the government has any business determining what CEO's make. What I am promoting is that public opinion should turn against overpaid CEO's and the folks on Wall St such as the 27 year old stock broker. These amounts have gone up so much because of greed and the fact that the public accept it. I want any shareholders to vote against overpaid higher up people. I do it all the time. I have voted against the CEO of Citibank repeatedly. Has not done any good, but made me feel like I was at least participating in democracy. BTW my views on government follow along the lines of the guys up on Mt Rushmore. If T.J. or T.R. was for it, likely I am too. All four of those men thought of the government in the USA as vastly more limited than it is today.

I do think that athletes and actors are wildly overpaid. But selling your own body for whatever the market will bear is different than a hired CEO using his insiders influence to take more money from a public company than they should. My point. Owners are free to make as much as they can. Workers in public companies should be subject to pay review by the owners of the company, the shareholders. Owners of private companies should be free to make whatever they can.

I see nothing at all wrong with owners of companies trying to do what is best for the greatest number of people. That is why we organize in groups called States, governments, civilizations. Many people oppose that notion and what to take absolutely as much as possible for themselves. Teddy Roosevelt is my model as the right way to oppose that. Any of you that have not read his autobiography have missed a really enjoyable read. I have a copy I am willing to share with anyone interested. I suppose I could be accused of socialism for offering to share though.
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Hmmm, it seems that for many here, the reality of the American dream is very much defined by to what degree they personally have been able to enjoy it.

Hate to break it to you gentlemen, but if u ask an actor, pro athlete, corporate ceo, or any honest politician u might locate, they will all tell u the American dream is alive and well.

Those guys ARE The American Dream
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Hmmm, it seems that for many here, the reality of the American dream is very much defined by to what degree they personally have been able to enjoy it.

Hate to break it to you gentlemen, but if u ask an actor, pro athlete, corporate ceo, or any honest politician u might locate, they will all tell u the American dream is alive and well.

Those guys ARE The American Dream


Thanks, Jim!

Glad to hear from ONE Person that agrees with the Original Poster (below)....one of our Canadian Neighbors, I might add.
It's kind of embarrassing to me as a U.S. citizen that so many of my fellow citizens have written in to say the O.P. is all wet

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