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Old 10-12-2011, 07:29 PM   #85
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If people were not looking for cheap products, there would not be any. Curtis Mathis, RCA, Magnavox, Zenith, etc, etc, etc, would still be in business and people would still be making good money working for them.

When you offer a cheaper product, (not as good, but cheaper) people are the blame for the failure of our mfg companies.

Toasters at WM for 7.00 that last 6 months. TVs for 100.00 that last a year. ETc,. etc, etc.

Blame the American people for the loss, not the corp. They just fill what the customers demand.
When you shop at walmart look at the products, check the model numbers and specs, they write their own spec that manufacturers must meet, walmart cuts the longevity from their products by specing cheaper parts, lighter gauge wiring, everything to lower the price(quality) and make it in china. True always shopping by price is what's driving manufacturing from the US, let's change, I'm in . Anyone else willing to take up the challenge to BUY AMERICAN?
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Buy american? Good luck with that! Be prepared to do without, not much manufactured in the USA this day and age.

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Buy american? Good luck with that! Be prepared to do without, not much manufactured in the USA this day and age.
That's what I thought, too. ABC World News Tonight, however, has been running a series called Made in the USA. This week, they've highlighted a home builder who is building a home containing 100% made in the USA building materials. Here's the story - at the bottom is a link to a printable list of the materials and US manufacturers.

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YA.. while quite a bit is made overseas, there are still many products made here..

And the 'Walmart spec'ing thier own materials"? Tell me a big box store that doesnt? Ever try to get a 'price match' on a tv only to be told 'sorry, thats a 55kvr20084C and this is a 55kvr20084B.. Guess what the difference is? NOTHING other than who is selling it..
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All we can do is try our best, better than throwing up our hands and saying woe is me all is lost. At least give the American worker a chance. If it starts maybe they will bring the manufacturing back on shore.
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There are jobs. From the discussion it seems that we have all, at times, done what ever job was needed to make it go. I know I have.

I am a dentist, not a rich dentist, just a dentist. I do OK. I and my DW worked through dental school. Not an easy balance. Just being at school is full-time. Then studies. and work. I rented videotapes out, sold stuf at a variety of stores. My wife worked at bookstores and department stores. We were thrilled to have a hotdog to put in the mac and cheese. We did not turn on the heat. We were LUCKY to have a landlord that allowed us to pay 15% of our net as rent. What ever that came out to. Due to our hard work and effort we graduated form undergrad and my grad school with a combined 13K in debt. We know what work is.

I started an office. It did OK. I'm a way better dentist than businessman. 10 years later, after having to move the office and the business loans associated (the building was being torn down and the SBA required a lien on my house after I committed all our savings to the project), my wife was diagnosed with uterine cancer. We had insurance which helped with the medical bills. Nothing helps with taking the kids to school, picking them up, making dinner, not to mention the mental distraction of being told the love of your life is dying. The distraction took its toll on the office. I had unscrupulous employees embezzle funds since, well, they thought I could afford it. DW survived. All we had left was ourselves, the kiddos, a faltering business and a house. Sold both expendable items and moved. There's more, this is a summary.......

Now I work 6 days a week for someone else to get some semblance of recovery. I leave at 0630 and get home at 1900. The kids are doing great. So is DW. I have NO benefits package or retirement/pension plan other than what we provide for ourselves. We have had help. Lots of loving help from God and from people who saw how hard we work. We have made choices, like getting an RV to have family vacations, that some would say are foolish. Oh well.

I have NO patience for anyone who whines about not getting enough from the gov't. There are people who we as a society have agreed to help--disabled for one. I'm not talking about them. There are a lot of folks who could work but don't. Our gov't discourages it. Just like they discourage saving. IMO we each have something to contribute to the world through our abilities. Some contributions are not glamorous--like emptying the trash at the mall--but all are necessary and important. What is important is learning to work hard, take care of yourself and your family, and try to find the best others. Noone else is going to do it for you. Nor should they be obligated to.

The American Dream is still there. Too many people have left out the part about working for it, they think they are entitled to a certain standard of living just for being. They see these so-called reality shows and think that that life is normal. Not everyone is Steve or Bill or Warren or Kim or.... nor should they be. We are each blessed with a skillset. Society has put certain values to certain skills. Don't like it? Find how you can use yours to help others (and get paid for it) and I bet you will achieve more here than in any other nation on earth. Ya just gotta get over yourself, be willing to work, and accept it won't be glamorous all the time.
Just to skip ahead a sec....

AMEN Dr. Scott, that's wut we'rew talking about!
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In a nut shell. My husband is skirting in a 22' 1999 5th wheel to winter it out in N. Dakota along with a whole trailer park of others. He has an MBA from the U of Iowa. 20 years in manufacturing in Lean Processing. I watched him loose his job on a Friday, have an angiogram the next Monday, open hear surgery the next day. I had him home by Friday at noon and I went back to work on Monday. We have been through two more job loses but have survived this long with the blessing of resources from his previous employeer and our tenacity to not live beyond our means. We have put many things on hold to live. But we try to live while doing so. Everything we have is paid for except our 125 year old house that is far from being refurbished but I live in the greatest part of our state and the greatest part of the town I live. My husband had to dye his hair to get a job 800 miles and 10 hours away from our home and all he wants to is go home.
Sadie, if he is in dickinson, pm@ me and I'll walk over and say. Hi!
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Buy american? Good luck with that! Be prepared to do without, not much manufactured in the USA this day and age.

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I write tonight from dickinson, north dakota. I've been on a road trip, and haven't been able to spend muy usual amount of time on the forums. I did take the coach tho. So its a camping work road trip.

Anyway, the american dream is alive and well here in dicknson. Oil boom ya know. Lots of jobs for. Anyone who will have them. Infrastructure is stretched pretty tight, housing is a bit hard to come by. Lotsa people skirting tt's in this rv park, getting ready to try to survive a north dakota winter and glad to have a job.
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The US has a 100 year supply of oil and gas, If only our "government" would let us drill for it. Just think how many jobs could be created . Now there is the problem in the middle east "again" with Iran and Saudi ...do you think the price of oil is going up again?

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Oil speculators---------RULE Oil prices going up? just watch. Gas prices; down a little----up a little more; down a little; up a little more. So what else is new.
As to the reference to the $7.00 toaster made in China vs the $10.00 toaster made in the US. A mans toaster burns out; he has $7.00 does he wait till he has the $10.00 to buy the us toaster? he don"t care its going to fail in 6 months. all he wants is a toaster now. Even if he had the $10.00, he would have bought the $7.00 toaster and bought a loaf of bread with the other $3.00 he saved. Its a fact of life; folks believe it or not. For some the extra $3.00 isn't much; for others it is the difference between eating or not.
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For some the extra $3.00 isn't much; for others it is the difference between eating or not.
For those of us who can afford the extra $3.00 in your example, I can only say that as far as I'm concerned, I've made a resolution to pay more attention to the label and attempt to buy American products where it makes sense, even if it costs me a few extra shekels. Instead of merely bemoaning the loss of America's manufacturing base (whatever the cause), I think it's time for me to put my money where my mouth is.

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My point was, regardless of whether or not you are willing and able to buy american made products, they simply are not available for purchase. I'm not talking about quality, or cost....you either buy foreign made goods, in most cases, or do without. Yes, I realize there are still some products that are american made, and I too, value permitting purchase these when the opportunity arises. Being "made in USA" does not automatically gaurantee you are buying a quality product.

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My point was, regardless of whether or not you are willing and able to buy american made products, they simply are not available for purchase. I'm not talking about quality, or cost....you either buy foreign made goods, in most cases, or do without. Yes, I realize there are still some products that are american made, and I too, value permitting purchase these when the opportunity arises. Being "made in USA" does not automatically gaurantee you are buying a quality product.

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Of course you right price does no equate to quality. But for my dollar every time I can find a product made here I'll be first in line. If you take notice the athletic shoe manufacturing is mostly done overseas, Nike still charges $100 for a pair of shoes it cost them $3 to make, they then pay sports stars obscene money for endorsements. The rest goes in their pocket. New Balance make a quality shoe in the US, so does Redwing. That's all I wear. Take a couple of minutes the next time you need something and see if there is a US made equivalent.
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