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Old 03-29-2012, 08:25 PM   #15
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I have had Fords, GM and Chrysler products. Of these my current F350 diesel has been the least trouble. We have also owned Honda, Nissan and Toyotas. These have been the most trouble free, only see a dealer for regular scheduled services. We had a Fiat 124 and this was the biggest POS...right up there with the Chrysler Sebring and Oldsmobile Omega. we also owned two Volvos that gave good service.

And the first 10 to 20 years of Japanese cars here were not junk. They were mechanically superior to the US junk. They did not have the size or glitzy trim and at first the interior plastic was really junk...but look at them now.

Oh, and the sticker on my wife's 2011 Camry showed it had more US content than the Ford Fusion or the Chevy Malibu.

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Old 03-29-2012, 08:55 PM   #16
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Kind of funny reading this thread as most could find out if they ever got past the thought of buying a foreign vehicle that most of them are built right here in the USA.
Using the same pieces part used by our own Detroit Mfg's.
If you look real good you'll see your domestic auto just ain't what it used to be.
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I didn't see anything in the video that myself, DW and the two dogs could fit into...
I just traded my Government motors Traverse in for a Subaru Outback ,it's made in America in Lafayette Indiana
Welcome to the Subaru crowd. We have two - '98 Outback Ltd 5spd (the toad) and a 2008 Tribeca Ltd. Love the real all wheel drive.
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Old 03-30-2012, 11:23 AM   #18
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Here's a Ripleys believe it or not.

Bought a 04 Ford Mustang GT convert, has never had ANY warranty work done or parts replaced. Purchased new. Tuned, syn since new and garaged.

It looks exactly like it did the day it came off the assembly line, maroon w/white top.

J D Power stated, based on warranty repairs, the 04 Mustang was the best car made in America for 2004.

So there, all you rice burners with fart can mufflers.

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I've had alot of cars over the years, both American & Jap. I've had mostly good from all of them, with a few exceptions. Out of all of them , 4 Japanese, all we're amazing . By far the overall best vehicle I've had was my Nissan SEV6 pickup. That little truck was my favorite, I really miss that one.also had a Honda accord, Toyota Celica, & my teenage daughter has a 91 Camry we bought her 3 years ago for 500.00. After 3 years we have a total of 1500.00 @ it's still going strong.
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Find me a 60's jap car still on the road, and I'll be happy to look at it.

Ain't none.

Did they all rust away?
Were they deemed unworthy by enthusiasts who might preserve them?

Or were they just generic econoboxes, purchased only by those for whom cars were just transportation?

As an enthusiast, the cars I drive are always more than transportation, including my 240 k mile silvedardo SS, and my 245 k mile wrangler.
But especially my 68 Camaro.
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Mostly transportation I'm sure, much like people who bought American econo cars, escorts, chevettes, omnis , etc. they'll never be an enthusiasts car. I love classic muscle cars, I've had several, none at the moment. Wish I still had my 68 Chevelle & 73 Camaro, but, not for there use as a daily driver.
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Dangit, now you got me thinking about my chevelle!!
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I've had (in the younger years) a couple of VW bugs that were still running well when I got rid of them(no air). Other than those, I've only had one other foreign car...'92 Accord 2dr., 4 banger w/5spd. I'd still be driving it had it not been for the jerk that pulled in front of me in a Florida rain storm one night 4 years ago. Say what you like about the foreign jobs, but after 136K miles, this thing was still tight, looked almost new...still had it's original brakes(I'm a downshifter). Best car I've ever owned...bar none. I do like the Jeep though... Bob
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How cute! A teardrop with an engine.
I wonder if I get one and a Toy-hauler if it would be good for a run-about?
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Kind of funny reading some of these. It's pretty obvious Ford, Chrysler and GM had major issues both as labor and QC. Toyota had issues and nowHonda is having issues. Kia took Toyotas Slack. Everyone took our big threes slack. My Kia Sorento is a 6 speed smooth as silk auto with a dual overhead cam v6 at 276 HP. 0 to 60 7 seconds. The Genesis comes with an engine over 500 HP. American QC can't compare nor can Honda. All are made in the US, assembled at least. Most Japanese and Korean cars started as crap but now appear to be state of the art. America's cars started great and became crap.

If you decide you don't want to compete, for whatever reason you are going to loose. Competition is great and you better be on top of it.
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I was in the auto business between the years of 1976 to 1998. Some of the worst cars ever made were made in America from 1976 to 1986. I worked for a Ford dealer, and have owned fords most of my life, including now. I bought the fords even when they were crap because I worked for a ford dealership. I probably had 50 new fords I kept from 1 to 6 months. I don't have the time or space to tell you about the Fords, Chevys, and Chrysler products poor quality. In the 80s and 90s the Japanese cars were so far ahead of us in quality, it forced the big three to do something to catch up. I appraised hundreds maybe a thousand of these cars.

I feel today the American automobile industry is better for it, but it is a world market now. Almost ll manufacturers ares building cars here, so anything you may choose nowadays is a good choice if it fits your needs.

I think anytime more competition comes into play, the consumer ends up winning.
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I wonder how assembled and manufactured got to be synonymous? When a container of parts arrives from a foreign source, gets trucked to an onshore plant and bolted together in North America is the same as making the steel, stamping then forming the parts and then having hundreds of smaller parts plants make stuff for these big three producers got lumped in with Jap Crap.

I also wonder if any of you have memories? The recent Toyotas out of control on highways was all sloughed off by Toyota as people mistaking the accelerator for the brake and their tests of the 'black boxes' confirmed that completely. Now I find it strange the the black boxes were all tested and read by Toyota and those arsemadinks wouldn't lie to us would they?

BTW how much North American steel is in your Japanese cars, supposedly manufactured in North America. How many small part manufacturers are on the supply list of these same Japanese cars? I have seen some of you same posters decrying Walmart and their shipping jobs overseas but you refuse to believe you are doing the very same thing by buying these cars.

In my 66 years I owned two Jap sports cars a Celica and a 240Z and both crapped out with serious motor issues within the first year.

In 1994 friends were trying to convince me to buy a Pathfinder because these SUVs were so good. They bought their PF and I went with a Jeep. The Jeep Grande Cherokee is still my daily driver and it was also what I hauled our travel trailer with. The friends are on their forth PF as the other three rusted to bits in front of their eyes and the old Jeep is solid as the day she was bought.

I'll take second rate North American made crap way before every even thinking again about buying that high quality Japanese stuff again. Stung once, their fault; stung twice my fault.
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Cars now have to have a sticker on the window showing the percentage of American content. The "Jap" cars built here have more USA content than a lot of the Big-3.

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