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Old 02-23-2013, 09:34 AM   #141
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The nurses rights were not violated. They had a choice to either to get the shot or not. They decided not to get the shot. The hospital, in the interest of patient safety, fired the nurses. The nurses knew that they would be fired if they did not get the shot. Sounds like the nurses made there own bed.

The hospital has a duty to protect it's patients.
You are 100% correct that the hospital has a duty to protect it's patients. Why then is it only the nurses that have to be inoculated. Read my earlier post, as I have read every post in this thread. Why is it that the Doctor's do not have to be vaccinated, the patients, the visitors, the delivery people and every single person that enters the hospital. What control is going to be gained by just vaccinating the nurses? To put it lightly, it is nothing more than a band-aid that some one in the hierarchy thought up to appease the public. They have their heads so far inside a dark box it's pathetic. (JMHO)

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Force everybody to take the flueshot. How easy to control the population. Flueshot????? Cheers Gerald
Gerald, I posted previously regarding "controlling the people." I'm very surprised no one picked up on that. I'll put it in perspective now. Controlling the people is a form of Socialism, isn't it? You can't control the people. It's impossible. Even when "laws" are in place for a semblance of control there are people who break those laws for whatever their reasons are. I don't believe "The People" would put up with a door to door inoculation program run by any organization. Although, Big Pharma would certainly be for it.

HappyCCRVr,

My personal opinion is that it should be a choice, but then there are other programs like abortion that opinions flourish and are so contradictory to each other. You have made some very good and valid points, IN MY OPINION, and I believe in "Free Choice." Personally, I get the flu shot annually. Has it helped, I don't know, but it hasn't hurt either.

"You can please some of the people some of the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time."

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The nurses rights were not violated. They had a choice to either to get the shot or not. They decided not to get the shot. The hospital, in the interest of patient safety, fired the nurses. The nurses knew that they would be fired if they did not get the shot. Sounds like the nurses made there own bed.

The hospital has a duty to protect it's patients.
Sounds like extortion in a sense - out of ignorance.
How do you think the patients in the hospital are safer for these nurses being fired?
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:28 AM   #143
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Yesterdays paper said the flu shots were not working.
Would be nice if you could provide a link, or name the paper so we could read the article. Otherwise perhaps you could quote the relative parts? Thanks!
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Would be nice if you could provide a link, or name the paper so we could read the article. Otherwise perhaps you could quote the relative parts? Thanks!
I also heard that , so I googled this for you.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/22/us...rly.html?_r=1&
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Thanks Cliff, much appreciated Interesting to note, but still, the elderly will continue to believe they are better off vaccinating themselves with a false sense of protection :(

Interesting too, that they will be looking for a 'better vaccine' rather than a 'better method' of helping the elderly prevent influenza.
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Thanks Cliff, much appreciated Interesting to note, but still, the elderly will continue to believe they are better off vaccinating themselves with a false sense of protection :(

Interesting too, that they will be looking for a 'better vaccine' rather than a 'better method' of helping the elderly prevent influenza.
I wouldn't go so far as to say they're not looking for a way to help prevent the flu for everyone including the elderly. In the meantime a better vaccine would be most helpful. No ?
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Don't you love it when they lump everyone together young and old then come up
with a average. Guess who's average is next to nil?
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I wouldn't go so far as to say they're not looking for a way to help prevent the flu for everyone including the elderly. In the meantime a better vaccine would be most helpful. No ?
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They don't have to look too far, the information is out there, and on this thread! Is there such a thing as a 'better vaccine'? I'm not sure, because so far, the 'better vaccines' have caused harm and fatalities. The very premise of a vaccination is to prevent illness with poison.
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Don't you love it when they lump everyone together young and old then come up
with a average. Guess who's average is next to nil?
I love it when people make clever, valid and valuable points to an argument to support their points of view.
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The bottom line is really SIMPLE:

If you are not feeling well, STAY HOME do not leave your home and go to work where you MAY BE EXPOSING OTHERS TO YOUR NOT FEELING WELL PROBLEM... VERY SIMPLE.

35 years of dealing with this HUGE PROBLEM I CAN and WILL say the problem is PEOPLE who are not feeling well, have a runny nose, or just sneezing think they are okay to go to work or school... and THEY may be okay... but their co-WORKER or others they come in contact with may be someone who CATCHES what they are carrying and thus the reason we have outbreaks.

I've worked in the hospitals, and few other professions as well... ran my own businesses and my NUMBER ONE RULE for all my employees was "do not come to work if you are not feeling well, do not come to work if you have a cough, or running nose, itchy watery eyes, whatever.

All employees who come to work sick and cause any of my staff to get sick MUST PAY FOR ALL SICK STAFF MEDICATIONS!!!

I am delighted to say as an employer I did not have a problem with employees being sick. Everyone had my cell phone number, they could call me and leave a message if I did not answer and tell me they had the sniffles, or their child or spouse had the sniffles or they were at their parents over the weekend and they parent had a cold and they were not reporting to work. Some employees jobs were able to be done from home in cases where they were exposed to other's illness and others just simply stayed home and the team at the office covered.

We never had the problem when I had this policy.

People don't realize the simple things they can do in their own home to prevent themselves from becoming sick and spreading the sickness out in their own communities.

Using Bleach to wash down light switches, door handles, door edges, toilet handles, sink handles, using paper towels in restrooms or changing handles more frequently, stove knobs, dishwasher handles the list goes on... then follow up using peroxide to kill the germs...

And if you think I am nuts so be it... I have 5 people in my home, 89 year, 78, 60 and 28 and not a one of them have had the flu or cold in four years under my watch... in fact 3 of them came to my home on over 5 pills needed each day 3 to 4 times a day for different things... they were always sick every winter for the last 20 some years, they haven't been sick ONCE here. The 88 year went from 16 pills daily down to two, the 78 went from 9 pills daily down to two daily.

Not only do I have the cleaning method in place, but will admit that Douglas labs is my *WAL-MART* I have everyone on Methylcobalamin Liquid - B12 and those of you who want to protect your memories this is a good choice for that as the 88 yr old guy I have managed to stop the dementia and it does appear to be reversing since he is now walking again with a walker on his own and he talking about things we did in the last year where before he couldn't remember the last hour.

Doctors / Hospitals don't tell the truth... they keep pharma companies in business. How many know Metformin LOWERS your bodies B12? That is a whole other topic but word to the wise do not by into the "RANGES" your lab reports claim are okay or with in range!

Going back to my shell now... Have a good Day!
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HappyCCRVr,

My personal opinion is that it should be a choice, but then there are other programs like abortion that opinions flourish and are so contradictory to each other. You have made some very good and valid points, IN MY OPINION, and I believe in "Free Choice." Personally, I get the flu shot annually. Has it helped, I don't know, but it hasn't hurt either.

"You can please some of the people some of the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time."

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My personal opinion is in alignment with yours Wayne, adding that it should be a personal informed choice for everyone.

You can also please all of the people some of the time
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Completely agree with you Wayne.
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I am delighted to say as an employer I did not have a problem with employees being sick. Everyone had my cell phone number, they could call me and leave a message if I did not answer and tell me they had the sniffles, or their child or spouse had the sniffles or they were at their parents over the weekend and they parent had a cold and they were not reporting to work. Some employees jobs were able to be done from home in cases where they were exposed to other's illness and others just simply stayed home and the team at the office covered.

I am delighted to know this! You seem to be a boss with integrity, empathy, and good will. Congratulations, it is awesome to hear that you put the well being of your employees ahead of profit. Indeed the best prevention for illness is to avoid it!~

We never had the problem when I had this policy.

I would guess that a boss like you would not have a problem with productivity from your staff, or a problem with your employees taking advantage of you.



People don't realize the simple things they can do in their own home to prevent themselves from becoming sick and spreading the sickness out in their own communities.

Ignorance is rampant, and the desire for a quick fix after the carelessness is also very popular. What is that 'they' say about an ounce of prevention?

Using Bleach to wash down light switches, door handles, door edges, toilet handles, sink handles, using paper towels in restrooms or changing handles more frequently, stove knobs, dishwasher handles the list goes on... then follow up using peroxide to kill the germs...

Prevention!

And if you think I am nuts so be it... I have 5 people in my home, 89 year, 78, 60 and 28 and not a one of them have had the flu or cold in four years under my watch... in fact 3 of them came to my home on over 5 pills needed each day 3 to 4 times a day for different things... they were always sick every winter for the last 20 some years, they haven't been sick ONCE here. The 88 year went from 16 pills daily down to two, the 78 went from 9 pills daily down to two daily.

I would say you are unusual; I wouldn't say you are 'nuts'! I would also say "hooray for you!" and "those people in your home are very fortunate".

Not only do I have the cleaning method in place, but will admit that Douglas labs is my *WAL-MART* I have everyone on Methylcobalamin Liquid - B12 and those of you who want to protect your memories this is a good choice for that as the 88 yr old guy I have managed to stop the dementia and it does appear to be reversing since he is now walking again with a walker on his own and he talking about things we did in the last year where before he couldn't remember the last hour.

Thanks for the reference. Vitamins are powerful deterrents to illness.

Doctors / Hospitals don't tell the truth... they keep pharma companies in business. How many know Metformin LOWERS your bodies B12? That is a whole other topic but word to the wise do not by into the "RANGES" your lab reports claim are okay or with in range!

Amen to that! Those who tell the truth are often referred to as 'conspiracy theorists' (among other things) by those who do not understand. Thanks for another reference to research.

Going back to my shell now... Have a good Day!

Thanks, and you do the same!
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Hallo happy CCRVR,yes you don`t know if the flue shot hurt you. You are not suppose to know. The `Mansurian Candidate ąpproach is waiting in the wings. Cheers Gerald
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