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Old 02-21-2013, 03:30 PM   #15
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Most patients suffer from complications of infection after surgery not infections of the flu virus. Different type of infection
Having retired from a hospital, I respectfully disagree - infection control encompasses a LOT of different things, diseases acquired in a hospital setting among them...and that includes influenza and other acquired illnesses.

My mother is in a long term care facility near me - and posted on the front door is an advisory about visitors who may have flu symptoms who should not associate with the residents. And yes, the staff is also required to have influenze immunizations, along with the hospital staff in nearby towns. This ain't a new issue.
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Let's not start down the political comments path as it's not permitted by iRV2's rules.

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Having retired from a hospital, I respectfully disagree - infection control encompasses a LOT of different things, diseases acquired in a hospital setting among them...and that includes influenza and other acquired illnesses.

My mother is in a long term care facility near me - and posted on the front door is an advisory about visitors who may have flu symptoms who should not associate with the residents. And yes, the staff is also required to have influenze immunizations, along with the hospital staff in nearby towns. This ain't a new issue.
Yes infection control does encompass both but there is a difference from viral infections and ones that are bacterial. A bacterial infection such as staff causes more problems than the flu. both are preventable by the same means without a immunization.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:15 PM   #18
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The most obvious reason to require employees that treat patients to have flu shots is that the hospital would be liable in a lawsuit.

It's always about the money.
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Yes infection control does encompass both but there is a difference from viral infections and ones that are bacterial. A bacterial infection such as staff causes more problems than the flu. both are preventable by the same means without a immunization.
Tell that to the between twenty and forty million people that died worldwide in the 1918 Flu Pandemic. If you're more concerned with its effect inside our borders, here's a more local listing of the percentage-of-population-losses in a few American Cities:

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"Excess mortality ratings" as used below means those folks who would not ordinarily have died except for this uncontrolled scourge.

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Tell that to the between twenty and forty million people that died worldwide in the 1918 Flu Pandemic. If you're more concerned with its effect inside our borders, here's a more local listing of the percentage-of-population-losses in a few American Cities:

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"Excess mortality ratings" as used below means those folks who would not ordinarily have died except for this uncontrolled scourge.
I would tell them but it was um 95 years ago. Back when they thought bleeding people of blood was a cure. Or before antibiotics and much of the modern medicines we have today. The problem with statistics is they can tell you whatever you want them too. The amount of people who die from bacterial infections are likely chalked up to other reasons or listed as complications from surgery. So not real accurate numbers.
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A hospital up hare gave you a choice get the flu shot or wear a N95 Respirator all shift.
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I would tell them but it was um 95 years ago. Back when they thought bleeding people of blood was a cure. Or before antibiotics and much of the modern medicines we have today.
Yes- and before vaccines, which are probably the greatest contributors to death prevention in the twentieth century.

Smallpox. Whooping cough. Measles. Polio.

Do you think these once-worldwide and deadly scourges have been virtually eradicated in the Western World because of sanitation, or because of "modern medicines" other than vaccines?

There is no cure for viruses, you know. There is only prevention.
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If getting vaccinations was against their religion maybe they should have picked a different proffession. I can respect their civil rights until it conflicts with the rights of the people they are caring for. I would be angry to have a 80yr old relative go into the hospital to be treated for a broken foot and die from the flu they contracted.
Indeed, you have nailed the issue. The nurses rights are protected and they were not forced to get the flu shots. They however do not have the right to endanger the hospital patients. It really is that simple. The nurses were allowed to exercise their choice; what could be more American ?
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Ditto Francesco

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Brian Williams just reported on national news that this year's flu influenza vaccine was a "dismal failure". He cited it protecting those over 65, the most vulnerable, in only 9% of the cases where the person received a vaccine. That means 91% got the flu after getting the vaccine

As someone already posted, it's more about the money, protecting the hospital from a law suit.

So, what do you think those that were "forced" to get a vaccine to keep their jobs feel like when they hear statistics like that?

And no, it is not necessarily in the contract of the health care professionals that they must take flu vaccines or give up their rights. My daughter is a nurse too and has been such for the last 7 years.

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Having retired from a hospital, I respectfully disagree - infection control encompasses a LOT of different things, diseases acquired in a hospital setting among them...and that includes influenza and other acquired illnesses.

My mother is in a long term care facility near me - and posted on the front door is an advisory about visitors who may have flu symptoms who should not associate with the residents. And yes, the staff is also required to have influenze immunizations, along with the hospital staff in nearby towns. This ain't a new issue.
I believe speaking out for personal rights in the workplace regarding refusing to take vaccines is a relatively new issue.
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Let's not start down the political comments path as it's not permitted by iRV2's rules.

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Just having conversation on an issue that affects all of us, and each of us is entitled to his own stupid opinion and to share it in conversation here, I would hope.
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As long as there are no political comments.

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Just having conversation on an issue that affects all of us, and each of us is entitled to his own stupid opinion and to share it in conversation here, I would hope.
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