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Old 01-02-2020, 08:11 PM   #1
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Vision Zero

Idea born in Sweden. Object is to eliminate traffic deaths & injuries. Most entities signing up for this in the US believe as Europe does, eliminating vehicles yields immediate results, city-wide 25 mph speed limits yields positive results, etc., etc.

The NMA (motorists.org) has begun battling against this assinnity, but we need to be aware of how we will be impacted (if it's not already happening in your locale).

Here's a recent newsletter which will help bring you up to speed: https://bit.ly/35eSFCd
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Old 01-03-2020, 06:35 PM   #2
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Admiral David Farrigut said it, and this vision zero appears to be doing it "damn the torpedos, full speed ".
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Old 01-05-2020, 01:57 AM   #3
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Based on my very limited research into it, this Vision Zero looks like an absolutely abysmal idea. It will cause more problems than it will solve. It reminds me very much of the Zero Tolerance policies for fighting in school. All that policy accomplished is making fights more severe and ensures that nobody will help the little kid getting the crap beaten out of him. Mandating safety practically always makes things worse.
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Old 01-05-2020, 07:45 AM   #4
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Stupiist thing I have ever heard of in my very humble opinion. I see a thousand things going wrong every day. But when we as a people stop Voting for morons that think this way we may do a lot better for a lot cheaper idea's. These people are like communists that want to run everything their way, be damned if it is wrong or not. Wake up America....
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Don’t they realize that they are battling Darwin's theory of natural selection? I doubt that fatalities will decline that much. How many are texting and not aware of any traffic?
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Old 01-06-2020, 12:06 PM   #6
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Complete Streets Act of 2019

Here's a synopsis of the proposed bill: http://bit.ly/2QudxRP

Here's the NMA take on the bill: http://bit.ly/2SZHmLM

The Charlotte Observer had a guest editorial today (1/6/20) suggesting we need to allow unlimited scooters & bikes on our streets, written by a female who doesn't think any adult should have to wear a helmet while riding a bike or scooter, but thinks all vehicles are weapons in the hands of drivers intent on killing the bike or scooter rider, so she's totally in favor of this type of solution. Actually, she would much prefer no vehicles, but until that can occur, she is on board with this solution:
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Convert all 2 lane streets to a single vehicle lane with 2 dedicated, separate bike lanes, while E-W or N-S vehicular traffic would share the single lane & play dodge-em when meeting opposing vehicular traffic, using the unoccupied? bike lanes. These road redesigns are already in use in over 24 cities across the US.

As drivers of larger vehicles which are definitely not carbon neutral, we will not be accommodated going forward when decisions are being made by people who believe bikes & scooters are to be the primary "transportation of the future."

You should be aware of where your localities' movers & shakers stand on these issues & contact your state & national leaders to voice your opinion.
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Seattle just adopted the second phase of Vision Zero and now all arterials are 25mph. E Scooters and traffic speeding cams are next, after a failed bike share program funded by taxpayer and private money. Now they want to implement gps based pay by the mile fuel tax statewide.
This tax would not eliminate the per gallon fuel tax, but add to it.
It is estimated the pay per mile tax and cameras would have a 40-50% administration cost. Zero Vision IMHO.
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The Charlotte Observer had a guest editorial today (1/6/20) suggesting we need to allow unlimited scooters & bikes on our streets, written by a female who doesn't think any adult should have to wear a helmet while riding a bike or scooter, but thinks all vehicles are weapons in the hands of drivers intent on killing the bike or scooter rider, so she's totally in favor of this type of solution. Actually, she would much prefer no vehicles, but until that can occur, she is on board with this solution:
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Convert all 2 lane streets to a single vehicle lane with 2 dedicated, separate bike lanes, while E-W or N-S vehicular traffic would share the single lane & play dodge-em when meeting opposing vehicular traffic, using the unoccupied? bike lanes. These road redesigns are already in use in over 24 cities across the US.
As a biker, I completely agree that no adult should have to wear a helmet. I'm completely against helmet laws. However, I am completely in favor of wearing your dang helmet! If I didn't wear mine, I'd have half a chin and very likely a concussion. Helmets are life savers, but they shouldn't be legally mandated.


Also, the priority of the "complete streets" thing is completely backwards. It reminds me of when the feminists complained about snow plowing and so a few municipalities changed things up to be more "feminist friendly". That change didn't last long because of all the problems it caused. Same thing will happen if you prioritize pedestrians over vehicle traffic in all of your road improvements and construction.
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As a biker, I completely agree that no adult should have to wear a helmet. I'm completely against helmet laws. However, I am completely in favor of wearing your dang helmet! If I didn't wear mine, I'd have half a chin and very likely a concussion. Helmets are life savers, but they shouldn't be legally mandated.


Also, the priority of the "complete streets" thing is completely backwards. It reminds me of when the feminists complained about snow plowing and so a few municipalities changed things up to be more "feminist friendly". That change didn't last long because of all the problems it caused. Same thing will happen if you prioritize pedestrians over vehicle traffic in all of your road improvements and construction.
Ok, letís say someone without a helmet gets into a serious accident and sustains a traumatic brain injury. They can never again care for themselves or others and must spend the next 30 years in a convalescent center. Have you any idea what that costs? I'd suggest that helmet laws can be amended to exempt all adults who maintain a $5 million dollar catastrophic injury policy. Otherwise their choice to not wear a helmet could make them a very expensive burden on the rest of us.
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NYC adopted Vision Zero and these damn bike lanes a few years back.

More biker deaths, more auto accidents, lots more traffic.

I call that a Win!
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Ok, letís say someone without a helmet gets into a serious accident and sustains a traumatic brain injury. They can never again care for themselves or others and must spend the next 30 years in a convalescent center. Have you any idea what that costs? I'd suggest that helmet laws can be amended to exempt all adults who maintain a $5 million dollar catastrophic injury policy. Otherwise their choice to not wear a helmet could make them a very expensive burden on the rest of us.
That's a phenomenally unlikely event. Sustaining enough brain trauma in a motorcycle crash to not be able to care for yourself again, but not enough to kill you is practically impossible. But that's beside the point. Everything a person does has a potential impact on you. That doesn't mean everything should be illegal.


If you base your laws on the extreme cases because those are the ones that can impact you the most, then you wouldn't be allowed to drive at all. The most common 2 vehicle crash involving motorcycles is between the motorcycle and a car turning left in front of them at an intersection. It's literally caused by car drivers, so getting rid of car drivers makes us more safe. Are you prepared to give up your car now?
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Ok, you have a point. I guess ER doctors call motorcycles donorcycles for a reason. Brain damaged people don’t donate organs.

Personally, I hate seeing riders without helmets. I shudder at what might happen. But I’m overly sensitive on the subject. I was a foster mom for 10 years. The 2 little girls I had in my home were significantly brain damaged, but not from lack of helmets. Their care was unbelievably expensive. I was the cheapest provider on the menu.
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Personally, I hate seeing riders without helmets. I shudder at what might happen. But Iím overly sensitive on the subject.
I couldn't agree more! Every rider should wear a full face or modular helmet. And don't forget to use the chin strap. A helmet that flies off your head as soon as you crash is doing you no good at all.
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I couldn't agree more! Every rider should wear a full face or modular helmet. And don't forget to use the chin strap. A helmet that flies off your head as soon as you crash is doing you no good at all.
Have ridden for years. Wouldn't go around the block without a helmet, law or no law.
We had a good friend who suffered brain trauma in a bike wreck. He couldn't recognize his wife and kids. He knew he was married and had a family and he felt like he was cheating on them if he had any association with the "strangers" who were caring for him. Ended up in a divorce. Not only devastating to him, but to his family as well.
Had a friend, a fellow rider, who used a velcro strap on his helmet. Laid his bike down. He said as soon as his head hit the pavement the velcro came loose. Suffered severe head injuries.
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