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Chuck 1935 · 02-16-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sfrantz

It has nothing to do with lawyers and everything to do with protecting people. Don't attempt to fight someone who pulls a gun. Back off and let him go. A laptop is not worth risking anyone's life or health. Leave it for law enforcement. This wasn't a crazed gunman shooting up the store. It was a shoplifter.

In this case they subdued the gunman. What if the gun had gone off in the struggle and someone has been seriously injured or killed. The headline would have been "WalMart Employee Killed While Attacking Armed Shoplifter".

Heros act, Others rationalize.

Ray,IN · 02-16-2011, 11:39 AM

Good quote Chuck!
These days lawyers and insurance companies rule/dictate policy and procedures. The insurance company would much rather replace a stolen laptop than go to court over anything= financial risk management.

Midniteoyl · 02-16-2011, 12:09 PM

Missing the point.... The guy already had a hostage AND he refused to leave.

wa8yxm · 02-16-2011, 12:42 PM

Wall mart is the one company most likely to be sued in labor court, and they are the one most likely to LOOSE.. Used to be the State of Michigan had that "most likely to loose" crown but wall mart took it away from them.

This is the primary reason whey I do not like shopping wall mart and would not if I could afford to shop elsewhere.

az bound · 02-16-2011, 01:38 PM

I have to take the opposit side of this. If I have a policy that says not to interveen in a situation like this I would terminate them also. There is no excuse for jepordizing life and limb for anything in the store. I would give them thanks for their service and assist in any way I could to find them new empoyment.

Chuck 1935 · 02-16-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by az bound

I have to take the opposit side of this. If I have a policy that says not to interveen in a situation like this I would terminate them also. There is no excuse for jepordizing life and limb for anything in the store. I would give them thanks for their service and assist in any way I could to find them new empoyment.

Like I said before, HEROS ACT, OTHERS RATIONALIZE

sknight · 02-16-2011, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sfrantz

It has nothing to do with lawyers and everything to do with protecting people. Don't attempt to fight someone who pulls a gun. Back off and let him go. A laptop is not worth risking anyone's life or health. Leave it for law enforcement. This wasn't a crazed gunman shooting up the store. It was a shoplifter.

In this case they subdued the gunman. What if the gun had gone off in the struggle and someone has been seriously injured or killed. The headline would have been "WalMart Employee Killed While Attacking Armed Shoplifter".

I had a lengthy response written but I'll leave it at this.

Rolling over and playing dead for criminals is going to be one of the downfalls of America. We didn't use to stand for it and shouldn't today. Yes he had a gun and yes he only had a laptop but you know what? He has to be stopped sometime, if he'll do that over a laptop then what will he do for a woman's $1000 watch? Over valuables in their house? For some teenage girls car?

But we're kinder and gentler and frankly are easily scared into a corner by some idiot whether it's here or from some guy in a cave. All because someone might get hurt or killed. Well guess what? Eventually someone will get hurt or killed by him. Better off stopped now than allowed to walk knowing all he has to do is bring the gun next time.

I applaud them for doing the right thing.

rops · 02-16-2011, 03:21 PM

Thomas Jefferson said anyone not willing to fight for his freedom is not worth fighting for.

May I give my opinion that the same principal applies here. Anyone that is unwilling to stop a jerk trying to hurt someone should not complain when they get hurt by one of these idiots.

Policeman can not be everywhere and protect most people more than a small percentage of the time.

We the people better start doing something besides thinking letting them run is the thing to do. A person with a gun stealing a couple hundred dollar item may not just steal and run. He may go to shooting when he thinks he is in danger of being caught.

With that said, I had a lot rather get shot trying to stop a jerk with a gun than get shot because everyone thinks it is the police's job and let's them do whatever they wish.

Just my two cents worth and it isn't worth that to most people.

rops

dieselclacker · 02-16-2011, 03:54 PM

Not Thomas Jefferson, but someone once said " Don't bring a knife to a gunfight". Somethings are just not worth the risk of getting shot over. Not saying criminal actions by people are right, just that there are different degrees of criminality, stealing a laptop computer, in my opinion, does not warrent putting a human life in jeopardy. An unarmed thief, certainly should be detained and held for the proper authorities, but not a thief that is armed with a gun. Just my opinion in this matter, your may be different, and you are certainly entitled to it.

Dieselclacker

Midniteoyl · 02-16-2011, 04:11 PM

Did no one read the articles out there??? The guy took a gun out, grabbed an employee put a gun to his head and REFUSED TO LEAVE OR DO ANYTHING ELSE. How is it 'not a crazed gunman'? If you tell the guy he can go without any trouble and he REFUSES to do so, how is that 'not letting him go'??? Just HOW is any of this the employees fault?

Seriously.. read before commenting...

Chuck 1935 · 02-16-2011, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Midniteoyl

Did no one read the articles out there??? The guy took a gun out, grabbed an employee put a gun to his head and REFUSED TO LEAVE OR DO ANYTHING ELSE. How is it 'not a crazed gunman'? If you tell the guy he can go without any trouble and he REFUSES to do so, how is that 'not letting him go'??? Just HOW is any of this the employees fault?

Seriously.. read before commenting...

NOW SEE WHAT YOUVE GONE AND DONE.................
YOU'VE JUST BURNED THE MIDNITEOYL

sfrantz · 02-16-2011, 04:43 PM

If he has a gun to my back and my coworkers jump him, I hope they explain to my widow that they were trying to be heros. Not worth it for a laptop.

Take a minute, calm down, and let him walk away. He did not "refuse to leave;" they didn't give him a chance to leave. The article quotes an employee as saying they could have let him leave but chose jump him instead.

What the thief did was wrong, especially pulling the gun. Jumping a gunman puts everyone's life at risk.

Rational human beings think; animals just react.

Big Bear Local · 02-16-2011, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck 1935

NOW SEE WHAT YOUVE GONE AND DONE.................
YOU'VE JUST BURNED THE MIDNITEOYL

LMAO

hondo122 · 02-16-2011, 05:21 PM

When my daughter was in college I got her a job as an assistant manager of a supermarket in a marginal neighborhood, my first statement to her was if anyone tries to rob you comply with their demands all they can take is money. Several months into the job an armed psycho came in and demanded all the cash, she complied the store was out several thousand dollars and my daughter came home safe. The next day the police came back to the store and said they had a suspect, he had been out of jail less than 24 hours. After he robbed my daughter he went on to rob 2 other businesses, at the second the person resisted and was murdered. IT'S ONLY MONEY!!!!!!!!!
I still have my daughter and the 3 beautiful grand kids she's given me.