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Old 02-14-2006, 04:11 AM   #15
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The topic, of your choice, was denigrating RV'ers as "sad and sick" for doing a perfectly legal form of entertainment. If 4% of the total want to watch religious channels that is their choice. If I want to watch porno that is my choice. I do find porno similar to religion though. After viewing it once or twice it is just repetitious and boring.
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Old 02-14-2006, 05:12 AM   #16
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What I find disturbing is that an individual would wish to impose his/her values on the entire cohort. Especially when the activity being censored is legal and affects no one other than the viewer in the confines of his/her own RV/home. It isn't as if the entire park was being forced to watch what someone considers offensive and "sick". What is happening is that the entire park is being limited to what a single individual considers appropriate.

The "Thought Police" are still with us - sadly.
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I challenge anyone to show me a cable channel that show's porn? I know the Playboy channel offers R rated shows and even HBO/Showtime show some that are R rated. I have never heard of a single X rated show on cable. Even the hotel channels that offer "adult" channels are pure R rated after you pay to see them.
Cable companies are public utilities and as such are highly regulated. I believe that the park owner, if he is paying for the service, might be able to get a report showing a general overview of what is being watched on cable if he has a good reason to request it. However, I don't believe he/she could ever find out which individuals were watch anything specific. Same with internet, it takes a court order for the cops to get that kind of info when chasing "real porn". The ability of a park owner to get it because it offends him/her is almost impossible to believe!!! The religous fanatic out there might like to pass this kind of info around because it sounds good, but reality is hardcore porn is hard to find on cable. And if you want to go there on the internet, it's no ones business except yours. Porn sites on the internet are completely legal in the US also unless they are kiddie porn. Park ownere is jerking people around if this is true. I, like someone earlier would love to hear the name of this park so we can check this out. How about it???? Name the park that is performing this wonderful service to "save all of us"??????
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Texas Bubba:
I, like someone earlier would love to hear the name of this park so we can check this out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would like to know so that I don't ever accidently stay there.
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Old 02-15-2006, 07:03 PM   #19
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Wow winter really must be boring. Now we are about porn at RV parks. To each his own I say. Personally I enjoy a good murder mystery ora suspense drama. That is only when the weather is bad enough to be cooped up in the RV.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Texas Bubba:
I challenge anyone to show me a cable channel that show's porn? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The textbook definition of pornography according to Webster is:

1 : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2 : material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
3 : the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction

So in keeping with this the content would not have to be X rated to be classified as pornographic and a good many cable providers do have a variety of this type of content.

The owner of this campground has the right to decide what services and content he provides/sells and you have the right to choose vendors that provide what you want to purchase.

He may have simply been dismayed by the advertising demographics in the ratings sweeps for his campground showing the inclination for the soft porn "R" rated material and did not want his establishment known as a place where the viewing preference was for soft core porn and the took measures to get back inline with a more family oriented atmosphere. He may also have been approached by law enforcement over the Internet use of some of his campers. I would have consulted my attourneys on this and the simple solution would be to make a broad policy that would eliminate the content and possibility of going through this again. I know I would not want my name associated with an Internet Pornography sting operation and would do watever my lawyer recomended to prevent it.

Cable Systems work by selling advertising and they sell advertising by the demographics of the ratings sweeps. If the demographics show a strong inclination at that park towards the pornographic side then the advertisers that sell those types of products would have reason to believe that their advertising dollars would be best spent on that audience. The park could then become known for the "Girls Gone Wild" type of crowd.

I can understand how this could happen and don't really have a problem with the man protecting the image of his establishment. Now if he started tackling people or invading their property to search for Pornographic Contraband then that would be another matter.

I wouldn't get that worked up over it. If I find that I don't like the policies of a particular camp I simply don't go back.

God will be the final judge of this and we can get a clue as to whether something is appropriate by asking ourselves "What would we do if Jesus came to call?". If we find that we would be racing about changing the TV channel/video, changing our appearance, changing our speech, removing books/magazines from our shelves and tables then we have some personal soul searching to do. It's all upon ouselves to decide these things and then be accountable for those decisions.

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Old 02-15-2006, 07:35 PM   #21
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Well not the most religious person in the world. I can say what would I do if my children and grand children were to drop in. What would the find and would the still be proud of and care for old Pap and Pap-pap. LOL. I do not judge and ask only in return do not judge me. it will be done by someone higher.
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It would seem that according to Webster's definition of pornography almost anything qualifies women's magazine, ads for cars, boats, travel, and lingerie. The list truly goes on and on. The legal definition is about exceeding community standards, and it's been almost impossible to get any convictions using the legal definition. Even in the most conservative areas of the country we really can't agree on what is and what is not pornography.

Most of us really don't care what our neighbor does in the privacy of their own bedroom. Clinton is a good example. When the Republicans exposed what they thought was a scandal his approval ratings went up, not down.

There is X rated material on Playboy channel now. However, I doubt that any park owner would pay the additional premium for it unless he wanted to attract an adult crowd. There is soft core, nudity and simulated sex on pay channels like HBO however, there again it comes at a premium. Networks have no sex on them. Look at all the problems caused by Janet Jackson's one second exposure of her nipple!

Even though the current administration thinks it has the right to snoop on us anytime anywhere there has never been an internet sting on someone viewing sexual web sites.

The only way an RV park or resort would get a Girls Gone Wild reputation is if the owner of the park wanted that to happen and provided the right stimulus like Playboy channel and a clothing optional hot tub! Otherwise censorship to his tastes is just that censorship. We always use satellite so I guess I really don't care what he does,

As for the final judge, I guess that depends on which God you like, and what your beliefs are. There is no universal answer to that one. I guess we are back to the same starting point. I'll let you do whatever you please in the privacy your RV and I'd appreciate it if you would let me do the same. Oh and I promise not to call you sad and sick if you promise to do the same.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vegascpl:
It would seem that according to Webster's definition of pornography almost anything qualifies

Networks have no sex on them. Look at all the problems caused by Janet Jackson's one second exposure of her nipple!

there has never been an internet sting on someone viewing sexual web sites.

The only way an RV park or resort would get a Girls Gone Wild reputation is if the owner of the park wanted that to happen and provided the right stimulus like Playboy channel and a clothing optional hot tub!

Otherwise censorship to his tastes is just that censorship. We always use satellite so I guess I really don't care what he does,

As for the final judge, I guess that depends on which God you like, and what your beliefs are. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think Cole Porter hit the nail on the head when he wrote "Anything Goes". This snowball has been rolling since he wrote it. We become calloused to it and then it gets taken to the next level until you do find this permeating all levels of media and society. History shows this is one thing that leads to the eventual decline of a nation.

Networks have plenty of sex and titilation on them. The TV ratings show that this is what people are watching. The Superbowl issue was that the show was supposed to be family fair and this incident pushed it out of that rating.

There are constantly investigations going on with Internet Service Providers having to provide records indicating which clients are viewing certain sites. You read about it mostly when ISP's refuse to cooperate. To sting the panderers you need to investigate the viewers and where the viewing is taking place.

You can get a reputation in the Advertising World by the TV Ratings for your group. This is tracked daily with the results sent for tabulation overnight. The advertising is then targeted to match your groups viewing preferences. If your group shows in the ratings with leanings toward the baser shows then you will see more advertisements catering to that preference. You don't have to blatently have anything clothing optional etc, just display an inclination through what your group shows is its viewing preference.

As for censorship, the owner of the park has the right to select the products he distributes and endorses. Are we going to say that a car dealer that only sells family cars and opts to stay out of the sports car areana is censoring or violating the rights of his customers? You always have the option to shop elsewhere.

Regardless of your personal beliefs there will be that day when we find out what God's preferences are. At that point it won't matter what we prefered to believe only the gap between what we did and what we should have done and our willingness then to get in line with the program.

The prudent man I am told err's on the side of caution. This camp owner may simply be trying to do that. If he wants to raise the bar, let him, why force him to be the provider of something he finds distastefull.

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Okay, so why is the original poster insinuating that the rest of us are sick perverts when he is the one staying in that park??

Forget about what is or isn't "porn". He is referring to a park that none of us seem to know about (he still hasn't told us who and where the park is) and about a "trend" in viewing habits that the rest of us seem to be unaware of (or disinclined to admit that we watch). Yet, as RVers, we're "sad and sick". Since he is an RVer too, doesn't that make him sad and sick too? Or since he is the one in that park, only he is the sad and sick one, the rest of us are okay? I'm confused and some folks question my sanity but I don't think that I'm sad and/or sick.
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Neil I tend to believe that if there is a day when we are told by a higher authority what's right and what's wrong. I'm guessing "values" like honesty (in very short supply these days) and integrity might just be a little higher on the list than depriving adults of the same rights and privileges we enjoy. It might be wise to worry more about what your report card might looks like and let your neighbor worry about his.

I understand now the Internet snooping you are referring to is the Bush administrations wanting to know what we are searching for on the Internet. I'm certainly proud of Google for resisting. This administration has trampled all over our privacy. If they wanted to know about people searching for child porn why not just ask for those records?

I am truly impressed to read the TV advertiser would change there TV advertisements just of one RV Park. Had no idea we were so important!

You are correct that is the RV park owners right to provide whatever he wishes in the way of services. It's a Free country, well at least it was! Then we can make the decision to either stay there or not. Now it's up to the original poster to let us know the details. I'm not interested in a boycott that's rather silly. However, if the owner thinks I'm sad and sick and don't want us there in the first place why go. So where is this park or do we have a case of making a big deal out of nothing?

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vegascpl:
I am truly impressed to read the TV advertiser would change there TV advertisements just of one RV Park. Had no idea we were so important!
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Michael,

RV Parks and the like that have a private cable feed can get rated individually. The beauty of cable is that advertisers can then custom direct their advertising to the most appropriate feed to get the most bang for their advertising dollar. This is of course true of any other cable feed not just RV Parks, it is just how the system works. They target local, regional and nitch advertising all the time it is nothing unusual or special.

I wouldn't have a problem staying at this park. I could bring anyone in for a visit and not have to worry about something seedy showing up on the tube. My wife and I did experience this once while taking care of a group of elderly women when we stayed at a hotel where the feed was not restricted, one of the old girls flipped channels to one Hard R movie and got quite upset about it. It took us quite some time to calm her down and avoid a trip to the emergency room. It almost ended the trip having the poor dear so upset by what she saw. Thankfully there were no children involved in the event.

I don't believe that anyone of us will suffer any real harm if R Rated or Mature entertainment is not provided by an RV Park.


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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> My wife and I did experience this once while taking care of a group of elderly women when we stayed at a hotel where the feed was not restricted, one of the old girls flipped channels to one Hard R movie and got quite upset about it. It took us quite some time to calm her down and avoid a trip to the emergency room. It almost ended the trip having the poor dear so upset by what she saw. Thankfully there were no children involved in the event. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

See, this is the kind of stuff I have a problem with. There is typcially a guide in hotels/motels.

Why get bent out of shape over a momentary scene on a TV that YOU as an intelligent human being has control over via the channel selector!

The hotel/motel just happens to cater to a mix of customers. Most that I have encountered charge a premium rate for those type movies and don't just show them for free.

Anyone that gets that upset about smut maybe needs a little education about what really matters in life!
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jumbo Jet:
See, this is the kind of stuff I have a problem with. There is typcially a guide in hotels/motels.

Why get bent out of shape over a momentary scene on a TV that YOU as an intelligent human being has control over via the channel selector!

The hotel/motel just happens to cater to a mix of customers. Most that I have encountered charge a premium rate for those type movies and don't just show them for free.

Anyone that gets that upset about smut maybe needs a little education about what really matters in life! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You missed the point, it was an elderly person who like a child was not able to understand that there would be such a thing available and did not put their reading glasses on to be able to see the print of such a warning. This innocent did suffer the emmotional and physical shock that one is prone to when one reaches an advanced age. Just because you or I are stalwart and hardened enough to shrug it off does not mean that there are not many innocents who would suffer harm. This one was in need of her nitro pills and was a step away from being rushed to the emergency room.

We need to be more empathetic to the needs and frailties of children and the elderly and be willing at times to waive our rights for their well being instead of stomping our feet demanding our own. We need a little more self sacrifice in some of these cases and quite a bit less me-ism.

Possesions, wealth, position and perceived rights are really trivial when compared to what really matters in life our most precious treasures our Spouses, Children and the Elderly.

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