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Old 02-12-2006, 06:04 PM   #1
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A couple weeks back, the owner of a number of very exculsive resorts where we have stayed, had a general meeting which included park management, park model home owners, and prospective owners, which included the week and monthly rental customers. The topic of the TV and Cable Service came up, where some of the retired folks complained about TV channel selection and a poor Internet connections. The owner quickly quailed the complaints and surprised a lot of folks when he said "he has stopped the open program schedule and replaced it with a limited number of channels, that he personally choose, and for a very good reason. It seems that when the channels were open to the viewers to select what they wanted, the channels most often found to be viewed were PORN channels. Religious channels were low on the list with only 4% of the total.

Now keep in mind, these folks come from every walk of life and from all over the country and Canada. These folks own coaches and 5th wheel units ranging anywhere from $80,000 to $1,500,000., not cheapies and not low lifes by any means of the imagination. So where does this sick perverted viewing practice come from. I'm certainly not a holy roller by any means, but I do have and was raised with a strong conviction for whats right and whats wrong. AND THIS IS SICK and WRONG and gives me a bad reflection of what's happening in our RV society.

If that information wasn't disappointing enough, then the owner brought up the viewing habits of folks using the resort's internet service and quess what, the PRON Sites were viewed more then any other sites. This information leads me to believe, that RVers are taking the term "RVers" to a whole new meaning. WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE????

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Old 02-12-2006, 06:04 PM   #2
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A couple weeks back, the owner of a number of very exculsive resorts where we have stayed, had a general meeting which included park management, park model home owners, and prospective owners, which included the week and monthly rental customers. The topic of the TV and Cable Service came up, where some of the retired folks complained about TV channel selection and a poor Internet connections. The owner quickly quailed the complaints and surprised a lot of folks when he said "he has stopped the open program schedule and replaced it with a limited number of channels, that he personally choose, and for a very good reason. It seems that when the channels were open to the viewers to select what they wanted, the channels most often found to be viewed were PORN channels. Religious channels were low on the list with only 4% of the total.

Now keep in mind, these folks come from every walk of life and from all over the country and Canada. These folks own coaches and 5th wheel units ranging anywhere from $80,000 to $1,500,000., not cheapies and not low lifes by any means of the imagination. So where does this sick perverted viewing practice come from. I'm certainly not a holy roller by any means, but I do have and was raised with a strong conviction for whats right and whats wrong. AND THIS IS SICK and WRONG and gives me a bad reflection of what's happening in our RV society.

If that information wasn't disappointing enough, then the owner brought up the viewing habits of folks using the resort's internet service and quess what, the PRON Sites were viewed more then any other sites. This information leads me to believe, that RVers are taking the term "RVers" to a whole new meaning. WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE????

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Old 02-12-2006, 06:20 PM   #3
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I think the park owner is hiding behind an emotional arguement that has little basis in fact. Yes, some will watch adult channels or visit adult web sites. I doubt the numbers are as high as he claims in his park. Even if they are, so what? It's just his park. I don't think that I would extrapolate his unsupported claims to ALL RVers.

It's his park and he can pick and choose what channels to provide. Just like that sheriff in AZ that cancelled the prisoners cable, found out he had to provide cable so he gave them Disney and the Weather Channel. If campers don't like it, it doesn't take major money to subscribe to your own sattelite service (or cable if available).

All that stuff is out there, we haven't been successful in making it go away because too many are willing to pay money to support the industry.

All I ask is that I not to be exposed to it and those that want it have that option.

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I think you guys have been had. You pay extra for the porn sites, who does that guy think he's kidding. And as far as the internet sites... why is he monitoring the internet sites? If he knows what sites have been visited, what other information has he "harvested"? Hope you haven't used their internet to pay any bills online or access your bank. I get alot of Porn junk mail. Some folks don't understand that the stuff gets sent to you when you haven't asked for it. Much of mine has RV related stuff in the subject line. I dump it -online- by reporting it to Juno as junk. In the past, I tried to get "unsubscribed" by clicking on the unsubscribe link, but 99% of the sites didn't have anything on the unsubscribe page. And why do I need to unsubscribe to something that I didn't subscribe to anyway. And I know David didn't because he doesn't know how to turn on the computer much less how to log onto the internet. I would be getting a satellite hook-up ASAP if I was in that park.
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I agree that you being had. More likely he is limiting the number of channels to save money while charging you the same price. Here where we are the park owner charges $35 a month for 27 channels - one of which I have found no one yet who watches it due to the smut on it. The channel is HBO yet it stays because it is included in the price package deal. Unless they are pay for view there is no way I know he could track what channels you are watching.

As for the internet, again, unless you are using his computers I know of no way he can track what sites anyone is going to.

If people own that expensive of rigs why do they not have their own satellite service anyway? If part of their monthly contract with the park owner is to pay for the cable TV, then when it comes up for renewal that needs to be reworked.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Art & Charlotte:
Unless they are pay for view there is no way I know he could track what channels you are watching.

As for the internet, again, unless you are using his computers I know of no way he can track what sites anyone is going to.

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Art,

I work in the ratings industry and yes it is all tracked in every detail. A business can get complete reports of what is going down his Cable feed in various detail depending on what equipment he has installed. Even down to the individual user if he wishes to pay for that level of granularity. The internet is totally trackable and you gan get detailed reports from the service provider or generate your own using inhouse tracking software installed on the local admin computer.

It could be just an excuse or it could be a broadened responce based on his lawers reaction to the internet issue. He may also have been approached by law enforcement to release records already and not want to go through that again.

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I don't understand why the owner cares what adults are doing in the privacy of their camper.Sounds like he is trying to control your mind. Let us know the name of the resort so I can avoid the bible thumpers.
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Something does not add up here;
1. And it is said; ...the channels most often found to be viewed were PORN channels. Religious channels were low on the list with only 4% of the total.
- - It might be known how many viewed the Porn channels if they were 'pay per view' but how can he come up with a percentage for religious channels? Wouldn't it be impossible to track since those are not 'pay per view'?

2. And it is said; "So where does this sick perverted viewing practice come from."
- - Sick to some and others it is not. Is it illegal?

3. And it is said about the Internet; "...the PRON Sites were viewed more then any other sites."
- - Wouldn't it be impossible for that park owner to know what is being viewed on the Internet by others? ...does this mean he can see how much money I have in my checking, savings when I access my bank account via the Internet?

Again, I say, "Something does not add up here."

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I don't think this is really far fetched at all. Why should the RV crowd be any different from the US population in general? As a society we watch a lot of porn. Many find that it enhances their sex lives. How does what your neighbor does does in the privacy of their bedroom affect you? Since when, is having a healthy sex life, sick and sad?

As for the religious stations that doesn't sound far off either. Yes the right wing religious folks have taken over our government, but many are that way only when someone is watching. Frankly in the US the main interest of the Religious right seems to be to deprive others of their equal rights under the law. If anything qualifies as Sick and Sad it's discrimination against your fellow human beings.

People are very diverse, everyone is different. Is there some reason why we all have to be like you?
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Neil,

Thanks for the confirmation details. We weren't given the exact details and the owner is not a religous fanatic. Since we've been privy to this new information, we have dicussed this with folks in other resorts and to our surprise they have been talking about the same issue.

Maybe if anything, this topic has open folks eyes to the fact, that what goes in to your TV and Computer equipment, there is a signal coming out, that can be and is monitored.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Radarr:
Neil,

Thanks for the confirmation details. We weren't given the exact details and the owner is not a religous fanatic. Since we've been privy to this new information, we have dicussed this with folks in other resorts and to our surprise they have been talking about the same issue.

Maybe if anything, this topic has open folks eyes to the fact, that what goes in to your TV and Computer equipment, there is a signal coming out, that can be and is monitored.

radarr </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The way I read it now is that you were not present at the 'general meeting' ...and no flame intended, but wouldn't it be 'hear say' as to its outcome?

As to; "...what goes in to your TV and Computer equipment, there is a signal coming out, that can be and is monitored." This cannot be done unless one is paying the park owner some type of 'pay per view' ...and again, not possible when it comes to Internet. We are talking about the park owner keeping track as you first mentioned.

Again, I say, "Something does not add up here." I will not respond to this topic again for fear it might get out of hand. We need to keep it nice here.

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Another part of it has to do with what one thinks is "porn" another views as "R" rated. Alot of tracking can and is done for legitimate reasons and otherwise.

Given the pricing of cable these days, I'm apt to believe the whole thing was a cost saving or cost reduction on his part.

The meeting included "...park management, park model home owners, and prospective owners, which included the week and monthly rental customers", and there was no mention of which of these was watching the "porn".

For all you know the only one watching cable tv could have been the management and the park model home owners, and not the RV's who were there for a short time.

It's a shame that people have nothing more important to do with their lives than worry about what you or I may watch on tv or listen to on the radio.

The original post should have been titled "what's going on with business owners, politicians and religious fanatics", as what was brought up doesn't have anything to do with RV'ers, merely people as a whole.

As for me, I'll use my satellite, at home and when traveling...and watch what I want to watch, not what you or anyone else tells me I can.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rich & Zara:
[This cannot be done unless one is paying the park owner some type of 'pay per view' ...and again, not possible when it comes to Internet. We are talking about the park owner keeping track as you first mentioned.
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Rich,

With the Internet it is very easy for a network engineer to set up a packet sniffer to keep track of what is bouncing down your feed and if you want it many ISP's can provide you a detailed list of what sites the PC addresses on your connection are visiting. This is very possible today also with Television if the sites have extra monitoring equipment installed at the distrubution center. In the mid 1970's I worked for a maintenance service that claimed "we can fix anything" and one of the anythings that was brought in was a hotels TV monitoring board that would set off an alarm if a TV set was disconnected from the line and monitor which channels were being watched. Some cable systems and broadcasters even imbed a video barcode to make it easier to monitor not just the channel but the name of the program that is being watched. The driving force behind this is mostly advertising dollars but can also be used as a protection from litigation.

Was this the case at this partucular campgound or was it just an excuse? I was not there so I can not say, however the technology exists that does make it a possibility that things were being monitored at some level.

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Sometimes statement isn't worth a friendly reply, so I'll consider the source and past.

I was at the meeting and I even spent time with the owner and his wife, thanking them for providing us with such nice facilities and services, about equal to LazyDays, but with no paper in the morning and breakfast.

Neil explained it perfectly. Stop to think about it(cable, dish and phone services)what comes in to those pieces of equipment also goes out; I'm refering to a signal. And Neils explaination detailed exactly.

Once again though, the topic was side stepped.

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