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Old 04-12-2016, 06:11 AM   #43
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Thank you BFlinn181, those are some helpful links for me. I am in transition right now, cleaning up to go full time, but the rest of the year will be doing things like you have links to.

My journey starts in CA and my mother has a largely unused house in Ohio, her hubby lives in NC, and they have places in FL. So I can use one of those as a domicile, if needed, and for the rest of the year I am thinking the TX Escapees Mail Service. I already use a PO BOX, lots of years, so much of my life except my few years in a house have been boxes.

By the end of the year I will probably change States, and use her house as Home Base when traveling gets old (hah!).

The way the year is shaping up, I have little interest in voting, but will, one reason for staying a resident (I already vote absentee).
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Old 04-12-2016, 09:50 AM   #44
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I'm surprised at the vitriol aimed my way over raising the issues involved in being a full-timer. Folks seem to toss it off as 'no problem,' but in reality it can be quite complex and borderline illegal

Maybe I can help. I took your original statement to say that full timers simply don't vote and therefore are not entitled as to participate in the system. Just take your original statement, "OH, wait, if you full time you probably don't vote, so you're out of luck." Look at it this way:

OH, wait, (insert group of people here) probably don't (insert value, point of integrity etc here), so you're out of luck.

Just as you take voting very seriously, so do others and if you call into question their commitment to it, particularly simply because they are part of a group of people, they will be angry.

I think the issue that many states may appear to be attempting to disenfranchise some citizens because of their chosen lifestyle is a good one to explore, and will be helpful to folks looking for their state of residence. I think it could've been introduced without the perhaps unintended insult.
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I'm surprised at the vitriol aimed my way over raising the issues involved in being a full-timer. QUOTE]

I haven't seen any vitriol, just a lot of "baffle them with BS" smokescreen on your part. You linked to some very informative articles, unfortunately none of them support your initial claim.
Lets remind the folks how you started this off topic distraction by making the insulting & incorrect statement:

"OH, wait, if you full time you probably don't vote, so you're out of luck"

Those were your words and so far nothing you've said or linked supports that statement. You did your best to divert our attention away from that insult and change the subject. I see your lack of any factual defense of your initial insult, as tacit agreement.

Fulltimers who choose to register & vote, have no problems doing so in the 3 states where 98% of fulltimers domicile.
On avg fulltimers register & cast votes at approximately the same percentages as the rest of the voting public (in national elections).

I'm glad we could correct your perception of fulltimers voting habits.
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I haven't seen any vitriol, just a lot of "baffle them with BS" smokescreen on your part. You linked to some very informative articles, unfortunately none of them support your initial claim.
Lets remind the folks how you started this off topic distraction by making the insulting & incorrect statement:

"OH, wait, if you full time you probably don't vote, so you're out of luck"

Those were your words and so far nothing you've said or linked supports that statement. You did your best to divert our attention away from that insult and change the subject. I see your lack of any factual defense of your initial insult, as tacit agreement.

Fulltimers who choose to register & vote, have no problems doing so in the 3 states where 98% of fulltimers domicile.
On avg fulltimers register & cast votes at approximately the same percentages as the rest of the voting public (in national elections).

I'm glad we could correct your perception of fulltimers voting habits.
O.K., I concede it would have been better to use a qualifier as in, "OH, wait, if you full time, some of you probably don't vote, so you're out of luck." In general, the voting percentage of Americans is horribly embarrassing for a country that touts democracy to the world.

Talking about a factual defense, I'd be very curious to see your links to the facts you cited, "3 states where 98% of fulltimers domicile.
On avg fulltimers register & cast votes at approximately the same percentages as the rest of the voting public (in national elections)."


Since the attacks on the U.S. 9/11/2001, our country has been on a track to "increase security" by increasingly restrict, document and monitor people in our nation. It should be no surprise that people who live on wheels with no fixed residence come under scrutiny. The term 'gypsy' has become a pejorative term used to describe unlicensed workers and the verb 'gyp' is derived from gypsy. For fun, check out synonyms for gypsy, or roamer, or any other term for a person without permanent address. You'll find a whole listing of words that do NOT have a good connotation. (migrant, nomad, vagabond, etc)

While I'm not suggesting full time RVers should be added to this list, it's not a stretch to see how some people could, and want further restrictions and regulations documenting such folks.

To just toss off that full time RV living is easy to do and trouble free is ignoring the complexity of the life style. In our data-driven world, more and more is tied to your location. Should your medical or auto insurance rates be changed each time you change location? Property or income tax? Location is a factor when setting rates for the above, my home owners insurance is partly based on how many feet to the nearest fire hydrant. Should an RVers' insurance change each time they relocate?

Politicians listen to the deepest pockets. How much influence do you think full timers have over the insurance industry in a politician's sphere of influence?
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Sometimes I wonder what will eventually be left that is legal.
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Bflynn181,
We have full timed for 3 years now, will be starting our 4th year in a couple months and we have voted in Ohio either as an absentee ballot or early ballot since we started full timing. We use Rita's sons house as our resident.
Most states could care less of where you live as long as you pay your taxes, it is the money that they are after and as long as they get the money they are happy.
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Paying taxes.
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Some posts as well as replies to them have started to stray into the political arena have been removed, please let's not continue to go there.
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Self discipline often being defined as "do what I want, not what you want."
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If you move around enough who will know are you going to tell.

First they get to tell you what you can do on your own land. Now they're trying to tell you how you can live. What you can do with your property.

I stayed in a motel room last week and next week I'll be in my Motorhome for a night or two so I'm not living in my fifth wheel full time I split it between my Motorhome and motels when it's better to use them over thee Motorhome. The fifthwheel is just my base camp where I sleep when I'm not gone some where.
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Before you get worried, read this:

FALSE: Tiny Homes Ban : snopes.com
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Before you get worried, read this:

FALSE: Tiny Homes Ban : snopes.com
The problem is, if you quote snopes, you will only get a very biased and one sided story, that is written to appear unbiased.

Any research of snopes will show their bias. I will allow readers to decide which way it leans, but it is very consistent in the way it leans.

For me, a body has to have more than one source of data, and must do some research to find the truth. It rarely comes from one place.

Even my own statements, perhaps especially my own statements, are biased by my perspectives. Everyone's are.

The rules from HUD are not the same as making full timing illegal. But they are consistent to an ever expanding federal government concept where local and states rights to govern themselves are being undermined by those who seek to centralize all governmental power. It is clearly against the concept of the constitution and the idea of a union of states. The United States Constitution limits the federal government to very specific topics, and reserves all other rights to the individuals and the states. There are many inside the beltway who have tried for decades to change that.
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