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Old 02-09-2015, 09:18 PM   #1
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Charging Question

Hey All,

I am almost finished winter shopping for the camper. I got a few items..

Progressive Dynamics PD4590 90A Converter/Charger
Sure Power bi-directional Isolation relay
Renogy Mono 100w Solar panel and MPPT Controller
Renogy Remote status Panel for Controller


If all / Any of these devices were charging at the same time would this cause any conflicts.

If the solar panels are charging the Rear Batts... Would the Iso Relay detect the charge and link the front batt ?

Any suggestions ? Comments ? Thoughts ?

Looking for input before the Spring Install.
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Old 02-10-2015, 11:59 PM   #2
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Why not install a relay that would detect power from the Converter/Charger and disconnect the solar array? It's not needed if connected to shore power and would prevent any conflicts between the two.
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All can charge at same time, without conflicts.

The iso relay detects voltage, don`t care what makes it. It will connect,

You list a 90 amp charger. That is a big charger, so I assume you have a large batt. bank. Are you only putting 100 watts of solar? Maybe as a battery tender, when stored?

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Why not install a relay that would detect power from the Converter/Charger and disconnect the solar array? It's not needed if connected to shore power and would prevent any conflicts between the two.

Good idea. Thank you
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Old 02-11-2015, 04:05 PM   #5
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All can charge at same time, without conflicts.

The iso relay detects voltage, don`t care what makes it. It will connect,

You list a 90 amp charger. That is a big charger, so I assume you have a large batt. bank. Are you only putting 100 watts of solar? Maybe as a battery tender, when stored?

Good luck
No conflicts expected is what I was hoping to hear..

Iso relay - I may install a disconnect switch then, I would prefer it to be "Mostly" used for charging that rear batts but would like the option to work either way... your thoughts ??

Converter/Charger - Yes, 90 Amps.. I couldnt see the value in cheaping out on the converter/charger, It was "used but never installed" when I bought it off ebay.. it was a good deal, If i remember correctly it was closely priced to a "new never installed" 60 amp model by PD, Figured it cant hurt...

Battery bank for now is 2 group 29 Deep cycle batts.. to be upgraded when they are dead.. Not knowing what I really wanted/needed I got them a few months ago.

Solar - Yes, 100 Watts. I never used solar power before and I was informed that it can be expanded by adding additional solar panels up to the Amp rating of the Charge converter providing that i have the "Roof real estate".. only 24ft and there is a cargo carrier on the roof too. Yes for storage and any other time..

If I remember ohms law correctly, 100W @ 12V = 8.3 A ???
Im sure there will be some other influances, The charge controller will draw some and the V will not be a constant 12V ect..

I was concerned about "back feeding" into the solar and other issues. I am aware that DC will not produce a Sine that could be out of phase when running several charging systems like AC, I wanted to get the opinions of Vetern RVers as I am still new..

Considering my current Batt size..
What would you consider a good Solar Wattage amount for the camper?

Considering my future Batt upgrade ( Trojan t-105 )...
what would you consider a good solar wattage amount for the camper ?

Thank You !!!!! Your input and suggestions are valued, If it wasnt for you guys I would be lost !!

Thanks Again !
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A battety will not charge at 12 volts, a better calculation would be 100 watts / 13.5 volts = 7.4 amps.

I don`t know your iso relay, but the one I use cuts in at 13.2 volts, so if your solar is hooked to your house bank, it will charge them up, before connecting to other batteries.

How much solar, depends on your use. If you use half of you battery capacity, a guess of 100 amp hours a day, you need ( ? ) watts / 13.5 volts X 5 .5 hours, of average sunlight a day, to equal 100 amp hours. That comes out right around 250 watts of solar.

If you need to run your generator anyway, you can figure that in also, getting most of your recharging, by running it for 1 hour @ 90 amps.

This is all ballpark figures.

This stuff is fun.
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Ok, thank you.

I forgot about needing more than 12v to charge.

I have the bi-directional relay, here are the specs:

http://www.ase-supply.com/Sure_Power_1314_200_Battery_Separator_p/sp-1314-200.htm

I will probably run the generator for about 2 hours per day ( + / - )... once in the morning for coffee and again at night to charge up for the night..( using fridge that will consume a little 12v for the electronics when on LP) and should I need the furnace

Thanks so much ! If you have any more thoughts.. Please share, yes a fun thing indeed !!!
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I added a 1000 watt sinewave inverter, so I could have coffee without the noise. Since it`t there, I use it for TV at nignt too.

I have 300 watts solar and 2 gc2 batteries. Don`t run the generator, some days at all.

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That sounds great! I think you just added a few things to my shopping list..

Can you tell me about your inverter ?
Brand model options ?

After reading the specs it looks like my ISO relay and yours are Similiar

Your solar .. Mono or poly ?

Thanks
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I built my setup on the fly, being a full timer, between my boat and MH.

I have the same panels and controller as you, from Amazon.

I picked up a Xantrex sinewave 1000 watt inverter, from West Marine, after using a noisey 800 watt Harbor freight one.

A few weeks later, I picked up an auto transfer switch, again from West Marine, and wired that in.

I tried to save a little propane by running the fridge, on inverter during the day, but it uses 350 watts, and I only have 300 watts of solar up there.

More solar comming.

Enjoy
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