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Old 10-02-2016, 07:12 PM   #393
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rickf, you might also look at Piker on thread New Exterior Siding. He replaced his siding. My MH needs siding replaced also.

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Are there any plans to move back to the motor home restoration? The last five or six pages have wandered off to other restos. I was really hoping to see you take the sides apart since that is what I need to do to correct severe delamination on mine. I want to peel the outer skin back and remove the rotted wood and replace it as best I can and put the skin back down.
Yes there is. I think the next project will be to fix the cab. The house will come last.

I have some pictures from an earlier repair of the outer wall before I took it all apart. I'll try to find them for you. The walls are built of a sandwich construction of meranti plywood, xps foam insulation, meranti plywood, and furthest out a thin fiberglass with gel coat.

When I did my walls I fixed them from the inside.
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25 amp service for your property is common over there?
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25 amp service for your property is common over there?
16 amp service is more common. It's a 25A 220v 3-phase service (380V in delta 3-wire configuration plus neutral and ground wires), which would be comparable to a 75 amp service in the U.S.
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rickf, you might also look at Piker on thread New Exterior Siding. He replaced his siding. My MH needs siding replaced also.

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16 amp service is more common. It's a 25A 220v 3-phase service (380V in delta 3-wire configuration plus neutral and ground wires), which would be comparable to a 75 amp service in the U.S.
That does not seem like a lot of power?

Very typical here is 220 V 200 amp service.

Generally when any electrical work is done on a panel here and a permit is issued, it has to be upgraded to 200 Amp
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That does not seem like a lot of power?

Very typical here is 220 V 200 amp service.

Generally when any electrical work is done on a panel here and a permit is issued, it has to be upgraded to 200 Amp
That's true. Here, you get charged by the amps of your service, so people try to keep the amperage low. The line coming in to my property is capable of 50A, but I have it fused for only 25A because of the cost. Most properties are not wired for more than 25A incoming line.

I don't remember exactly how the service to the house was wired in California. It's been a while, but if I remember right there were two 110v lines coming in with a 180 degree offset, each line giving 110v to neutral and 220v between them. Here the service is three 230v wires with a 120 degree phase offset. Each line gives 230v to neutral and there is 380v between each phase line. In addition to neutral, there is also a ground wire.

Now for the real horror: Most campgrounds are wired for 6 or 10 amp service single line 230v! Could you imagine hooking your RV up to that?

When I lived in the Elandan, I would blow the main fuse when it got cold outside from using electric heaters. I cheated and borrowed a second service using an extension cord. The guy who ran the campground suggested it since there was nobody using it.
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That's true. Here, you get charged by the amps of your service, so people try to keep the amperage low. The line coming in to my property is capable of 50A, but I have it fused for only 25A because of the cost. Most properties are not wired for more than 25A incoming line.

I don't remember exactly how the service to the house was wired in California. It's been a while, but if I remember right there were two 110v lines coming in with a 180 degree offset, each line giving 110v to neutral and 220v between them. Here the service is three 230v wires with a 120 degree phase offset. Each line gives 230v to neutral and there is 380v between each phase line. In addition to neutral, there is also a ground wire.

Now for the real horror: Most campgrounds are wired for 6 or 10 amp service single line 230v! Could you imagine hooking your RV up to that?

When I lived in the Elandan, I would blow the main fuse when it got cold outside from using electric heaters. I cheated and borrowed a second service using an extension cord. The guy who ran the campground suggested it since there was nobody using it.
Yes, two 110v lines coming in with a 180 degree offset, each line giving 110v to neutral and 220v between them.

I connect the motor home to my 220 v outlet in the garage, which works, because of the 110 between neutral and each "leg". motor home only uses one leg to ground and the other leg to ground which is 110 in the motor home. Never uses the two hot legs.

So is there three phase in the camp grounds? That would be a heck of a thing to hook up to with an American wired motor home. The thing I know about three phase is you do not need as much amperage because of the additional sign waves. Electric motors love it.
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I always wondered how the american campers would work over here in Thailand? The euro campers that I have seen do not have roof A/C's? This caravan park is N. of Bangkok! They do have a Airstream Bambi, for sale, and that is a old Avion in the one pic! Rail!
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Yes, two 110v lines coming in with a 180 degree offset, each line giving 110v to neutral and 220v between them.

I connect the motor home to my 220 v outlet in the garage, which works, because of the 110 between neutral and each "leg". motor home only uses one leg to ground and the other leg to ground which is 110 in the motor home. Never uses the two hot legs.

So is there three phase in the camp grounds? That would be a heck of a thing to hook up to with an American wired motor home. The thing I know about three phase is you do not need as much amperage because of the additional sign waves. Electric motors love it.
I have never seen a campground with 3 phase service, nor an RV with a 3 phase hookup.

Yes, electric motors love 3-phase. They have much more torque for the same amperage as a single phase motor running the same wattage. They also have less vibrations than their single phase counterparts.
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I always wondered how the american campers would work over here in Thailand? The euro campers that I have seen do not have roof A/C's? This caravan park is N. of Bangkok! They do have a Airstream Bambi, for sale, and that is a old Avion in the one pic! Rail!
Most campers here don't have A/C. People just open the roof vent and the windows. From my experiences in Thailand, I would want an A/C!
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Yeah, you need A/C here, for sure! The American campers here all have roof airs on them. Guess you would have to do a custom wire job? I ask about the roof air's, on the new TT's they said they could install? But the Caravan Parks are scarce over here! I save my camping for my trips to the U.S. Rail!
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Are there any plans to move back to the motor home restoration? The last five or six pages have wandered off to other restos. I was really hoping to see you take the sides apart since that is what I need to do to correct severe delamination on mine. I want to peel the outer skin back and remove the rotted wood and replace it as best I can and put the skin back down.
Here's some photos of when I fixed the wall after the window leaked. I removed the window and the front furniture to do the repair.

The wall is constructed of lauan plywood sandwiched with XPS foam inbetween them. On the outside is fiberglass. The foam XPS is supported by the aluminum framing.


When I removed the inside of the wall and the insulation, there is unprotected steel inside the wall that had rusted. From taking apart the roof and floor, it seems that all of these steel sheets had rusted, but this one was particularly bad.


The screws holding the outside trim in place had rusted and somebody had put plugs in to try to hold them. There isn't anything on the inside for the plugs to grab on to - the XPS isn't strong enough.


I added an angle aluminum piece to make an attachment point for the trim


The walls of the Elandan are curved, and the XPS is pressed formed as a curve. I found that I couldn't reproduce the shape of the foam, so I made wooden ribs to help shape the wall. I also added fiberglass to strengthen the place where the sheet metal had rusted into the lauan.


I then glued the ribs into place and held them in place with telescoping supports. I did not replace the sheet metal support.


Followed by gluing new XPS foam in place between the ribs.


The outside was also supported while gluing the wall together


The end result of the outside wall was much better, but not perfect.


The whole job was done during a week off from work, and was back in use as a weekday apartment the following week.
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