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Old 09-24-2014, 08:13 PM   #127
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Old 09-24-2014, 08:43 PM   #128
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When you do the gluing I recommend you do a little research on vacuum bagging. This applies a good even pressure to your panels and is not that hard to do. I use to do it working on F-35 aircraft. You don't need anything fancy just a big piece of plastic drop cloth some putty to make a seal, the round rope works great. and a vacuum pump. You will need a couple of pieces of felt or other non compressible porous material for the ends of your tubes.
Do a little search on Google and you will find more info. This will give a good clamp up of your parts.
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Old 09-25-2014, 09:18 AM   #129
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OK now that I see a picture (worth a thousand words) I see that all my suggestions are totally wrong! Your underlying structure is completely different than my old Pig's framework. Your plan to build the entire wall on the floor and then lift it into place sounds like the winning plan. I agree with Wildebill308 that vacuum bagging might be the best way to go to get a really good bond of the wall materials. I do dissagree with you on your opinion of why the skins get bubbles and wrinkles, as I have some experience with that problem. The actual structure of a motor home doesn't move around as much as you may think, but heating and cooling will expand and contract the skin, and if the glue that bonds it to the luan lets go, or didn't bond when laminated, you will get wrinkles and bubbles , especially when the sun hits it and warms it up. Most of the older MH's that have bubbly areas have delaminated and rotted luan due to moisture incursion behind the filon. If you have the right contact cement (made for motor homes) and get a good initial bond by using a pressure roller all over the surface, or vacuum bagging, it will never flex enough to wrinkle unless you do something really bad to your rig. I truly admire your ambition, and hope all goes well on your project...you will cherish your MH all the more after putting all that work into it, and you will know what you have after it's done.
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Got the motor out today.... Here's a link to the thread with some pics if anyone is interested.

Need to spend some time thinking now... whether to move forward with a test run on building the new side panels or not. It's about a $700 loss to build one panel if it doesn't work out... which I guess isn't a whole lot to see if I can recover from the 20k we have into this thing so far.

Sure has been a rough old haul with this thing... but I just keep trying to look forward instead of backward, and even though it's been hard, I sure have learned a lot about myself... and the man upstairs... through all this. Regardless how this turns out, good has come from it.

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I would make a small test piece and vacuum bag it to get the feel of how it works. Earlier you were talking about worry that the rivets would pull through. I may be wrong but isn't where the rivets are installed comen to the metal frame?
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Frame above the floors is alum. Also, regarding anyone with doubts regarding the rivets and Filon, note the later HR product is constructed/assembled identical to this one, with the exception of the alum skin. The newer stuff is 'glass.
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Frame above the floors is alum. Also, regarding anyone with doubts regarding the rivets and Filon, note the later HR product is constructed/assembled identical to this one, with the exception of the alum skin. The newer stuff is 'glass.
I just have so little experience with this kind of thing, and I really want to be sure I would be doing this right. If I can get the same results with Filon as I can get with Aluminum... then I'd go with the filon as it would save me almost $700 on material... plus, I don't think I would have to paint it? (this would save hundreds more $$ and tons of work.) The stuff here is "polar white gelcoat."

I don't really want to try and glue new panels to the frame. I think that's problematic at best. I will need to tuck the new panels underneath the fiberglass molded front and rear end of the rv... making it difficult to glue. I would rather just stick with riveting... even if I had to use a few more than with the aluminum.

The downsides (that I know about) with the filon is that it would cost $200 more to "test" as it only comes in 8' wide rolls...the up side of that is that if it works, I've got enough filon to finish one whole side instead of half. It also cracks or tears if you handle it wrong? I'm worried about the way in which I would have to suspend the filon over the luan before I laminate it. Seems like it would tear easily... although at 8' wide, it's got an extra 3" per side that I could use to grab it with something... and then cut off later.

Actually, the extra 3" per side is also attractive cause I wouldn't have to worry so much about getting the filon lined up EXACTLY over the top of the luan for the entire 32' length...

Also, if I could come up with a good process, I could recover the entire wall with just 1 panel, and do away with the seam that runs lengthwise half way up the exterior wall. That is an attractive idea... but I'm not sure how I'd handle a 7' x 32' panel? Might be heavy... and unwieldy.

I dunno. Lots to think about here.

Thanks so much everyone for the input.

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Handling the large panel is easy. Invest in the suction cup handles used by glass installers. Loop several ropes to the rafters of your garage. Loop the rope to the handles and lift it up and swing it on.
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Handling the large panel is easy. Invest in the suction cup handles used by glass installers. Loop several ropes to the rafters of your garage. Loop the rope to the handles and lift it up and swing it on.
Suction cups... that's it!! I had theorized about pulling the panel up with ropes and pulleys off of the rafters... but I never thought about suction cups. What a great and simple idea. Thanks!

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Thanks

I posted this in my engine thread, but thought I should put it here too since different people might follow each thread:

Well... it looks like we're going to close this chapter in our life. My wife has developed an incurable chronic illness over the last few years, and despite our attempts to find medical relief, she is still plagued with it. We've decided that it would be best for her and for myself and for our 2 girls that she quit her job of 17 years. This of course will reduce our expendable income... by a large margin, so we'll have to give some things up... the RV being one of them.

Now that colder weather is upon us, I don't think I'll worry about tearing anything else apart until spring, at which point, we'll start parting this out. We feel blessed to have experienced the travels we were able to enjoy - a 6000 mile tour of the west, and 2 trips to florida. We will remain forever grateful for those trips... and for the people we took with us... and also for those whom we met along the way. The cool thing is, we all just feel at peace with this... it's amazing what you can go through when the man upstairs has his hand in it.

So... with that... I just wanted to close this thread out properly with a "thank you" to the RV community here and across the map for being so supportive through this whole RV experience. I'm walking away from all this now, but you never know what's around the corner... Life can change in a moment, so I'll just tuck this dream away perhaps for another day... who knows.

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One heck of a project. I hope you're able to get back to it. You have come so far.
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One heck of a project. I hope you're able to get back to it. You have come so far.
Well, we decided last month that this was still something that we'd like to pursue. We're not exactly sure how it will all take shape, but we're hopeful someday this will have a good outcome. I was blessed with some serious overtime just before Christmas... working 220 hours in 3 weeks... this was enough to help jump start the engine rebuild, which anyone interested in can read about here

Right now, I'm trying not to think too hard about the siding project and just concentrate on the engine. Trying to take the whole project on at once can overwhelm me pretty quick, but looking at it like many small projects, one at a time, isn't so bad.

All for now... Thanks again for all the encouragement we've received from the members of this forum.

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