Go Back   iRV2 Forums > iRV2.com COMMUNITY FORUMS > Vintage RV's
Click Here to Login
Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 11-09-2015, 08:24 AM   #15
Senior Member
 
wschaub's Avatar
 
Vintage RV Owners Club
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Oregon County, MO
Posts: 184
Question about the intercom. Was the intent to actually talk to someone in the camper while you are driving down the road? is that even legal anymore to have someone back there even in a camper shell?
__________________

__________________
wschaub is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 11-10-2015, 03:23 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
RedneckExpress's Avatar
 
Vintage RV Owners Club
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Sauvie Island, OR
Posts: 2,353
Send a message via ICQ to RedneckExpress Send a message via AIM to RedneckExpress Send a message via MSN to RedneckExpress Send a message via Yahoo to RedneckExpress
Quote:
Originally Posted by wschaub View Post
Question about the intercom. Was the intent to actually talk to someone in the camper while you are driving down the road? is that even legal anymore to have someone back there even in a camper shell?
It is, but you have to have some form of communication, between the camper and cab, hence the intercom system. The misses rides in the camper when we're doing long hauls outside of major urban areas as she tends to fall asleep or wants to read without killing my night vision.

The Amerigo also has seat belts in the dinette the same as a Class C, though I'm going to have to move them as I'm redesigning the dinette (shortening it a bit).
__________________

__________________
'92 Dodge W250 "Dually" Power Wagon
'74
KIT 1106 Kamper Slide-in Truck Camper
'06 Heartland Bighorn 3400RL Fifth wheel
Follow along with me in the The Journey of
RedneckExpress is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2015, 10:07 PM   #17
Senior Member
 
RedneckExpress's Avatar
 
Vintage RV Owners Club
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Sauvie Island, OR
Posts: 2,353
Send a message via ICQ to RedneckExpress Send a message via AIM to RedneckExpress Send a message via MSN to RedneckExpress Send a message via Yahoo to RedneckExpress
Rebuilding the Amerigo–Just call me the Demolition Man!

Saturday, November 21, 2015

Rebuilding the Amerigo–Just call me the Demolition Man!

Finally, an update!

Been wasting a lot of weekends as of late, mostly sleeping trying to make up for too little sleep during the work week, but finally progress has been made and wonderful discoveries as well .

The good news, first.

The frame of the camper is in excellent condition. I’ve discovered only a couple spots where water entry has (and still is, but now that I know where it is, I can fix it ) occurred, but the only casualty was the ugly as sin ceiling paneling which I had planned to tear out anyway.

The bad, the bloody leak area is over the top of the blasted clamshell bathroom, likely been coming in around the tiny roof vent.

So that means I’m going to have to figure out how to separate the bathroom into its two pieces without damaging it.

Yay….

I had already planned to upgrade the vent opening to a full 14”x14” opening, so I guess this is as good an incentive as any, perhaps now is a good time to look into the new holding tanks, since I’m going to removing the flange for the toilet anyway so I can move the shower.

The rear vent is showing signs of leakage as well, but no major damage to the frame. Woods still solid and once it dries I can treat it with Minwax wood hardener to protect it from any future moisture exposure.



Bottom edge of the wood is damp, but the wood has not rotted, most of the dark areas are bits of the old roof board after it being removed.

The wooden ceiling material is damp all the way across the top of the bathroom and right around the vent, which follows the path that the camper leans at when its parked next to the house.

I continued to demolish the ceiling and wall paneling moving forward, finding nothing but good news.

Also realized why my Amerigo has no rear ladder, when so many others I’ve seen do. There’s no plywood under the fiberglass roof. It seems I cannot fail to buy a truck camper with a roof not-designed to walked on .

Good to know, since I plan to attach a Winegard Antenna assembly.



Main beam above the Snap-N-Nap is still solid and I have confirmed that when my unit was built that it was indeed built with glue and screws, as there’s four counter sunk screws holding each one of the 2x2s in place.

No staples on this camper’s frame, just on the inner paneling, most of which is going to wind up in a dumpster.



Looks like at one time there was a power vent here, makes installing the Shurflo Comfort-Breeze even easier .



Ah, looks like I did find one potential fib by the last owner, there was in fact at one time an Air Conditioner on this camper. The original wiring for it was cut off and tucked up inside ceiling, I did a test on it and confirmed that the wire is not connected to anything, so there was never any danger, it simply was disconnected and discarded. I’ll likely use the old wire to help pull a new line in.

I can tell by the doubled up roof timbers that where the skylight is where the A/C was. I was surprised to find the skylight is framed in with 2x4s…… Now I’m drawn, do I want to keep the skylight, or restore the factory framing and put my A/C unit back in place there instead of making a new opening?



Precusory check on the cabover roof at a primary leak point, no immediate signs of any water penetration, ever..



Cabover’s doubling as temporary storage for loose bits till I finish removing the cabinets so I can carefully remove the wall panels to reuse as templates and to check around the side windows for any leakage signs.



Signs of a past leak and repair. The dark spot on the plywood is an old stain, and is sealed with epoxy and is quite solid. A section of new 2x4 was grafted in by the previous owner most likely. It is solid, but I will buttress a full length of 2x4 on top of it to add some extra structural strength.





With the wall paneling removed, you can see the silly lopsided offset of the fridge compartment as it came from factory.

I’m going to shift the fridge towards the rear enough to make the cabover a full queen, which will in the same move center the fridge underneath the roof vent and to the exterior hatch.

The propane compartment will not move, but I may be able to gain a little storage compartment along side it to use for storing things like baking sheets and what not.

The dinette likely won’t be serving as a bed when the remodel is done, at least not for tall people.



I didn’t notice it until I removed the build up the last owner had done over the old dinette wall that there was a little piece of paneling over a hole cut in the wall from factory.

When I opened up the wall, I discovered the little piece of panel was covering an access to the tie down anchor, which goes clean through the plywood wing and the 2x4 sill board at the bottom of the wall.

A lot better anchor strength than the KIT, whose anchors simply went through the plywood and a 2x4 that was attached to the underside of the wings.



I can tell, sadly, that some water is getting around the points where the running lights connect, so I think I may go the smart route and replace them all, hopefully with a unit I can permanently seal the base to the fiberglass so that there’s no future worry about water penetration.



The first sacrifice from the KIT, its nice new Suburban 6 Gallon water heater for the Amerigo’s older Mobile Temp.

I have the new counter top material in storage at a family’s place, as it’s the same thing as what the Formica counter looks like, butcher block. Lumber Liquidators had a wonderful deal on an 8’ x25” deep section of 1 1/4” thick oak unfinished counter, so I decided to upgrade to something slightly better than the particle board and Formica counters that were sagging in the middle.

With the two large openings in the counter top for the range and the sink, going to the solid wood counter won’t contribute enough additional weight to be of much concern.



Added another vintage touch to the Express, got a set of cherry Dodge dog-dishes off a 1974 Dodge motorhome out in Ellensburg, WA (seems this project keeps taking me back up to Washington….)

Now, all I need is the grill work off a vintage Dodge Adventurer package truck and I’ll start looking like the Dodge on the Amerigo brochure .

(Brochure from Pirate4x4.com, photos belong to SwampFox89@aol.com)



Looks like enough demo for one day .

__________________
'92 Dodge W250 "Dually" Power Wagon
'74
KIT 1106 Kamper Slide-in Truck Camper
'06 Heartland Bighorn 3400RL Fifth wheel
Follow along with me in the The Journey of
RedneckExpress is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2015, 07:41 AM   #18
Senior Member
 
spritz's Avatar


 
Vintage RV Owners Club
Fleetwood Owners Club
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: c above
Posts: 4,876
Wow great write up very interesting read.
Can't wait for the next chapter. I like that you aren't removing the front window on the camper.
Tim
__________________
1982 Pace Arrow 30ft.
KarKaddy SS, Toad: 1999 Deville Concours
Lilly and Rubie Our 4 legged Kids & Tim & Joe
spritz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2015, 07:47 AM   #19
Community Moderator
 
JMonroe's Avatar


 
Newmar Owners Club
Spartan Chassis
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: On the road
Posts: 6,783
Great project. I look forward to watching your progress.
__________________
Jay & Peggy Monroe with Dolly
Can't take it with you - don't plan on leaving any behind
2016 Newmar London Aire 4553, Spartan chassis
2017 GMC Acadia toad
JMonroe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2015, 08:11 AM   #20
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Colbert, WA
Posts: 10
Amerigo's are very cool campers. My friend had one in the late 70's that we used extensively. Loved the rear bed but could get a little cool when hunting in late November as the cold weather could get underneath it.
__________________
racertom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2015, 09:01 AM   #21
Senior Member
 
George Schweikle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 2,143
Longtime lurker to your great posts. Good luck with the Amerigo.
__________________
George Schweikle Lexington, KY
1999 Safari TREK 2830, FMCA 190830, Safari International chapter
1995 Safari TREK 2630, 1983 Winnebago Chieftain, 1976 Midas Mini
George Schweikle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2015, 09:19 AM   #22
Senior Member
 
beamisl's Avatar
 
Winnebago Owners Club
Ford Super Duty Owner
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: MI
Posts: 3,196
Great job, you are going to be very busy but it will be mazing when you finish. Good Luck!
__________________
Less than 3 months and I retire!
Lynne and Jerry RVM 105
2004 Winnebago Itasca Sunova (Miss May) Blue Ox Tow Bar /2015 Equinox
beamisl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2015, 12:36 PM   #23
Senior Member
 
RedneckExpress's Avatar
 
Vintage RV Owners Club
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Sauvie Island, OR
Posts: 2,353
Send a message via ICQ to RedneckExpress Send a message via AIM to RedneckExpress Send a message via MSN to RedneckExpress Send a message via Yahoo to RedneckExpress
Quote:
Originally Posted by spritz View Post
Wow great write up very interesting read.
Can't wait for the next chapter. I like that you aren't removing the front window on the camper.
Tim
The front window is one piece of molded plastic attached directly to the fiberglass. The missus missed being able to look out when I sealed up the picture window on the front of the KIT, so she's getting it back on the Amerigo.
__________________
'92 Dodge W250 "Dually" Power Wagon
'74
KIT 1106 Kamper Slide-in Truck Camper
'06 Heartland Bighorn 3400RL Fifth wheel
Follow along with me in the The Journey of
RedneckExpress is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2015, 01:40 PM   #24
Community Administrator
 
Route 66's Avatar


 
Newmar Owners Club
Retired Fire Service RVer's
Spartan Chassis
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Newark, DE
Posts: 25,432
IMHO, the best looking pickup camper ever made.
__________________
Adios, Dirk - '84 Real Lite Truck Camper, '86 Wilderness Cimarron TT, previously 4 years as a fulltimer in a '07 DSDP

Route 66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2015, 05:23 PM   #25
Senior Member
 
RedneckExpress's Avatar
 
Vintage RV Owners Club
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Sauvie Island, OR
Posts: 2,353
Send a message via ICQ to RedneckExpress Send a message via AIM to RedneckExpress Send a message via MSN to RedneckExpress Send a message via Yahoo to RedneckExpress
Quote:
Originally Posted by Route 66 View Post
IMHO, the best looking pickup camper ever made.
Aye, way ahead of their time in terms of construction as well.

Glued and screwed joints where everyone else was using staples, block foam insulation and spray foam, where everyone else was using thin fiberglass, one-piece fiberglass roof that comes down over the side walls, the tip out bed in a time long before slide outs were even a thought.....
__________________
'92 Dodge W250 "Dually" Power Wagon
'74
KIT 1106 Kamper Slide-in Truck Camper
'06 Heartland Bighorn 3400RL Fifth wheel
Follow along with me in the The Journey of
RedneckExpress is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2015, 05:16 PM   #26
Senior Member
 
wschaub's Avatar
 
Vintage RV Owners Club
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Oregon County, MO
Posts: 184
Looking good.
__________________
wschaub is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2015, 11:44 AM   #27
Senior Member
 
Franka548's Avatar
 
Freightliner Owners Club
Retired Fire Service RVer's
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: N E Ohio
Posts: 3,361
Nice job on the demo and on the write up, keep up the good work. We are waiting for the next chapter.
Frank
__________________
05 Alfa Gold 40' Motor Home "Goldie" 03 Malibu Toad towing 4 down
03 Silverado cclb 3500 drw, D/A, Reese 22k hitch
07 Alfa SeeYa Gold 30RL,2 slides,power everything Above for sale PM me for details
Franka548 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2016, 01:53 AM   #28
Senior Member
 
RedneckExpress's Avatar
 
Vintage RV Owners Club
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Sauvie Island, OR
Posts: 2,353
Send a message via ICQ to RedneckExpress Send a message via AIM to RedneckExpress Send a message via MSN to RedneckExpress Send a message via Yahoo to RedneckExpress
Rebuilding the Amerigo–Call me Fix-it Felix!

Wednesday, May 25, 2016

Rebuilding the Amerigo–Call me Fix-it Felix!

Well, that’s two movie references so far, wonder how long before I run out of puns as I continue my work on rebuild the Going Merry.


Since my last update, the camper pretty much sat on the back of the truck, under a tree in my drive way through pretty much all of the winter. Alot of the winter months involved me having trouble doing little else on my weekends except sleeping, between work stress, holidays, and not getting enough sleep week in and week out, the poor Amerigo sat untouched until this month.

I’ve done more in the past month than I had in the past five.

So, to start off where I left off, I continued into my demolition of the cabinets and wall paneling on the passenger side of the camper.

After I finally got the stage where I could remove the propane compartment and the cabinet housing the fridge, I made my first rot discovery.

In this instance, it wasn’t so much as finding the rot, as it was finding the rot that the previous owner had found and had tried to fix without a whole lot of success.

I quite literally was able to grab hand fulls of the plywood and pull it out like a handful of potato chips.

The patched in piece of 2x4? Came off in my hand where it had been epoxied in place. So, time to just get rid of the whole beam and replace it with a new one .

Out with the old….



In with the new





Much thanks to my neighbor, Robert, who actually did the removal and reinstallation of the wing. This was a late sunday find and with it all unbuttoned and rain in the forecast, it was a race against the devil to get it done and closed back up in time for the weather to go to pot again.

One thing we did discover was when the Amerigo was built, they were using longer than eight foot sheets of plywood to build it.

I took a page from the KIT’s design as a solution.

The wing is now made of two sandwiched and glued (With 3M 5200), sheets of 5/8” plywood. The seams are staggered so that it makes one solid sheet and givesi the necessary rigidity needed. I will likely add a second sheet onto the driver’s side as well to give both sides some extra durability.





Sorry for the mess, but I’m running of places to stick bibs and bobs as they come off the camper, so, its kind of a migrating mess in the Amerigo right now.

Since the corner wood was rotten as well, I took this opportunity to properly rebuild the front corner (will do the same on the other side as needed) using 2x6’s in the lower area where the jack attaches and extending the loading all the way to the top beam using added in 2x4s to make the frame strong enough to handle corner jacks.





I did the same in the rear where my custom rear brackets will attach, to carry the load through the main frame (I still need to cut and install the 2x4’s that go above it).





Demolition is coming along well, other than I have an utter hatred of the double cresent security screws that the entire camper is put together with.



Other than the wing, I haven’t found any major rot, however, now that I am digging into the cabover, I’m finding instead of rot, evidence that the camper was either:

A.) Assembled starting on a Friday and finished on a Monday

B.) At some point had to have some repairs done during warranty at a dealership that didn’t know what they were doing.



First off, looking at WagoneerTruckster’s ‘74 during their remodel and looking at my ‘75 which is the exactly same model, one year newer, its obvious that Gardner Industries started cutting ALOT of corners. There’s several areas where less framing is present, in the case of the cabover, pieces of framing are missing all together.

Wagonqueen Truckster’s 74’ factory framing (From her blog, Amerigo Truck Camper Restoration - Uh oh, What did you do?)



75’ Amerigo Factory Framing, notice the difference?



On the driver’s side, there are 2x2s that are installed that go all the way out to the edge of the cabover, tapered to fit the curvature of the nose cap. The wall paneling on this side is attached to these 2x2s and stops flush at the cabover floor.

The window is framed with a different breed of wood and is assembled using the wide gauge staples that were common in alot of other truck camper brands during that era. No where else in the frame of the Amerigo are these staples present, just this one windows frame out (Which I plan to tear out most of and redo).



On the Passenger side, the extra 2x2s are not present and there’s no tapered piece at the front corner, instead the paneling on this side goes all the way down to the bottom of the frame.





Then, don’t get me started on the bed platform design……

Really, who thought hanging a small piece of paneling from the edge of the unsupported 2x2 that makes up the front frame for the bed floor to another piece of paneling attached to the underside of the window shelf was a good structural idea?!

Again, there’s major differences in the two model years, in Wagonqueen’s unit, the fiberglass is bare, and its easy for them to add additional framing underneath the existing bed frame. As you can see in the photo below, in mine they decided to spray in expanding foam and glass in bits of plywood here and there.



There really isn’t any room on the underside to add more framing to properly stiffen the bed frame, so the end solution is going to be to add additional 2x4s/2x2s to the side wall frames, then build a second 2x2/2x4 based bed frame that will go on top of the existing one, and stiffen and sandwich the two together, make the bed platform 3” thick instead of 1 1/2 “ thick.

It will also allow me to extend the bed frame all the way up under the window shelf like it should have been, and extend back an additional several inches inwards into the camper to make it possible to fit a queen size mattress in the cabover.

My plan is to fully enclose the cabover area, with just a small entry spot near the fridge. I haven’t decided on if we want to make a curtain or some kind of hatch for this, and that will likely be something added later, for now, it will simply be an opening just a little wider than the fully opened fridge door.

The fridge is being shifted back several inches, and in the process shortening the dinette some, to both center the fridge on the access door, and to center its fins beneath the roof vent, both of which were heavily off set before.



And, now you’re up to date .
__________________

__________________
'92 Dodge W250 "Dually" Power Wagon
'74
KIT 1106 Kamper Slide-in Truck Camper
'06 Heartland Bighorn 3400RL Fifth wheel
Follow along with me in the The Journey of
RedneckExpress is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:54 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.