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Old 09-14-2015, 07:07 AM   #3305
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I don't remember how the sidewalls are connected to the floor on those, my thoughts are that you have to connect at the base of the walls, but it has been too many years since I have looked closely at one.
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Old 09-14-2015, 07:08 AM   #3306
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Good Morning, Frank, Its been raining here for the last couple of days got like 3" or so and still have showers this am, so haven't been able to do much around here, did pick up another vehicle for Eleanor. Lloyd, I agree that lower on the chassis is better, I would have loved it if it had an engine brake but it doesn't, but we will install an exhaust brake, not as effective but will be better than nothing. Rail, that's a thought.......I'll investigate that possibility it would save on material, then I would only need to build a toter body. MT, yes the there will be a pass thru, I'm not sure how big it'll be, I would like to make it as large as possible. Have to think about the air ride box, it may present more problems than its worth, the cab is not on air, so I would need a bellows type pass thru to take the movement of the box, I do want to add air ride to the rear suspension. Frank, snuck in there......I need to look closely at how the walls are connected, my thoughts are they are screwed thru the sidewall into a frame that goes around the inside, there is a plate on the outside that maybe hiding the attachment
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Terry,
I would think that you would want some kind of bellows anyways with the length of the body there might be too much movement in different directions causing connection problems between the cab and box. I agree that airride on the box would be nice, but might be more trouble than it is worth. If you find a nice exhaust brake for my 03 duramax with 4" exhaust for under a grand, please holler, I have been looking for one, but just can' bring myself to spend $1300 for one.
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Hi Frank, yes I do plan on putting a pass thru "gasket" or bellows of some sort, I have one here that came off of a Pete semi that I could use, the truck that I'm taking the body off from has a pass thru but the body is bolted solid to each other with just a gasket around the edge, of course that's a smaller truck and may not have the flex that this one might have. I will let you know what I find on exhaust brakes, I did a quick search yesterday but didn't find anything concrete.
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MT, yes the there will be a pass thru, I'm not sure how big it'll be, I would like to make it as large as possible. Have to think about the air ride box, it may present more problems than its worth, the cab is not on air, so I would need a bellows type pass thru to take the movement of the box, I do want to add air ride to the rear suspension.
There are pretty big ones for Petes, but they might be too tall for that 4700 cab. You will need to rent/buy a huck bolt gun to attach the ring.

I wouldn't air ride the box or the cab, but would consider both--on a common subframe.

Here are two examples:
Diamond T cab and a custom streamliner box on a UHaul (Intl) S1600 chassis:
fawk it! i think i`m building a vintage truck - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

Intl 4700 with a sleeper on a common subframe, with ambulance box garage and swapped in rear airride.
My new tow pig thred.. - Page 25 - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

F700 getting a double cab and Ford 7.9l swap, with a swapped in rear airride:
Version 3.0 - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

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Air ride suspensions, air ride cabs, and air ride seats all take different amplitude "hits" out of the ride.

Take-off or frame cut rear suspensions are relatively inexpensive compared to the cost of about anything else on these trucks. Sounds like you have a good match with your engine to final drive ratio if you like your RPM's at 65mph. If not, a rear axle/suspension swap would be the time to get a slightly taller rearend.
Is the at545 lockup in 4th/direct?
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Terry;
I am thinking that moving the chassis body from the van may not be the easiest thing to do. Would framing the tot'r the same as the TH be an option? How much would it cost to build the tot'r body from scratch?

Building the truck to match the trailer would give you options to lay it out at the length and height that is best for you. Plus you would be able to lay out the framing so windows and doors were optimised. Just thinking . . . . . . . .
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MT, I already have a Huck gun, I would be able to cut down the Petes opening so that's okay, but...........I want to use the truck next year so any extensive mods would be out, (nice would love to do buuut). The AT545RM is a lock up in 3rd and 4th. I don't remember what the RPMs where at 65 mph but it was still climbing and it wasn't wound out. I have found frame cut air rides for 800 up depends on exactly what it is. Those links where great, nice builds there. I need my old shop back for some of that. Gordon, the thought was there to just build from scratch, and it may come to that. You guys know me by now, slow to start, but once I get a direction......... What I need to do first is get all the mechanicals done. I will be removing the flatbed, stuff like that soon, before winter, I'm deciding now whether I want to rebuild the trany, (send it out and have a shop do it) or just replace it, there are alot of them on the used parts sites.
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Guess you could get a small camper trailer and just bolt 'er on. Done !
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Popeye, I have thought of a large truck camper, but I don't really need anything that extensive, (plus that's too easy). If I could locate a very large sleeper off a semi that would work, but most like that are too expensive for my taste. Gordon forgot to post the Wheel base of the Toter its 236 compared to 170 of the Cornfield Caddy.
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MT, I already have a Huck gun, I would be able to cut down the Petes opening so that's okay, but...........I want to use the truck next year so any extensive mods would be out, (nice would love to do buuut). The AT545RM is a lock up in 3rd and 4th. I don't remember what the RPMs where at 65 mph but it was still climbing and it wasn't wound out. I have found frame cut air rides for 800 up depends on exactly what it is. Those links where great, nice builds there. I need my old shop back for some of that.
AB built the cab/sleeper subframe and did his frame extension/air ride suspension in the 'new tow pig thred' in his downtown NYC driveway!

Here's another air ride suspension swap in an F800:
F800 toter ho - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum=

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I'm deciding now whether I want to rebuild the trany, (send it out and have a shop do it) or just replace it, there are alot of them on the used parts sites.
Any MD3060's? Another gear would be sa-weet.
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I could not get Pirate4/4 to load?? And I have fiber optic! But, to air ride the cab and box/sleeper, the cab has to be hinged on the firewall. If you look at any semi, they are made that way, with a big rubber hinge the firewall mounts on! They are very heavy duty, for sure, to hold up under the stress that a semi dishes out! Had a buddy that put his 140" sleeper on air ride, and he used 4 air bags and shocks, to make it work right! He tried it with two first, but got way to much sway and leaning, and added the other two air bags and shocks, and it was ok after that! So to take a solid ride cab, and make it air ride, takes a lot more than just adding the air bags, for sure!
AS for adding air ride to the rear suspension, it would be easy to swap the two out, if the same manufacture. If different manufacture's, measure the frame width and height of the rails and some times the new donor system will just slide inside the old frame rails! Drill and bolt and weld too, and good to go!
Terry if it was me doing it, I would do the suspension and leave the cab and box solid for now, and if you want a air ride cab, look for one that has been done at the factory! They do make kits, but I never have seen them, or tried to install one of them! You guys are not going to be putting that many miles on the TV, to go to that expense, and time, to do everything on air ride! JMHO! Rail!
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Good Morning, Rail, I agree that I'm not living in the truck like I would be if I was making a living with it. I think a nice set of air seats and air ride suspension with an air 5th wheel and we'll be all set, those are all easy to do. I would love to have a Volvo semi singled they are sweet. I had trouble with Pirate4x4 also, there are some very cool builds on there using semi parts. Have a great day all.
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I am thinking along the same lines as Rail. I agree with him that the amount of work to put the cab on air is tough to justify. Once Eleanor retires I would expect that the amount of long travel days would be limited. In reading the different threads here most folks travel in the range of 200 - 300 miles a day if changing locations.

I have become a fan of keeping things simple and straightforward. Makes it easier and cheaper to maintain during use.

Terry - That wheelbase is quite long. How does it turn compared to the Caddy? Is the front end the same or does the Tot'r have a better turning front end. I would be reluctant to shorten the wheelbase if it did not change the maneuverability much. My dad was a fan of longer wheelbases and passed that on to me.

Do you have a wish list for amenities in the cabin? I am assuming a double bed, washroom (with or without shower), two/three burner stove, furnace, holding tanks, fresh water and an eating area. Are you considering converting table/bed (not my favorite)? How many entries (pass through, side, door to deck)? I know this is way too early for a final decision but could have impact on what you do to the chassis.

Raining here so I am cleaning up the outside garage today. Was going to take a bike ride for parts but that will be tomorrows task.

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Hi Gordon, I so far have bounced back and forth on shortening or not, I need to drive it some more to tell if it turns as short as the Caddy, first impressions was it did or very close, of course being longer the rears where kicked out a little on the corners. The determining factor will be where the cabin ends up and where the 5th wheel needs to be, I am going to build a body on the rear of this one. Being an old over the road trucker it doesn't bother me to drive long distance, we still do that occasionally, surprising the old habits kick in pretty quick. That being said, we will be visiting sites and places that I couldn't before, so more than likely will not be going far at any one time. I do know what I want/need in the cabin. Will put in a toilet/shower, I think they call them wet toilets? built all in one, to save space. The jackknife sofa will serve as couch/bed. probley put in a flip down table of sorts for an eating area. Fresh water tank and a combo grey/black water tank, which will be larger to serve as an added reserve for the TH. there will be a small kitchen area, I would like to make a pass thru from the cab area and a door out the back to the body that I build with steps going down the side. I posted another video with a short walk around the soon to be "Toter"
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