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09-17-2015, 04:24 AM
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Good Morning, Gordon, The best I've seen was a driver with a set of doubles backed around the truck stop I worked at, it was a bet from another driver that he couldn't do it. I've seen a bunch of videos on the really long Semi's from out west, they have to be a bear to drive and get in and out of loading docks ect.
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09-17-2015, 07:34 AM
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It must have been amazing to watch. Not many drivers have that level of skill but they are out there. I am a great one for observing what they are doing as well as how they are doing it. My feeling is I will be able to do it as well, just not as fast or as efficient.
There are operators who just seem to be part of their equipment. It is a wonder to watch them operate and I hold them in awe. That goes for all kinds of operators from truck drivers to light and heavy equipment.
Have you had any thoughts about doing a temporary mount of the 5 wheel and giving it a try before making the final decision and cuts? It might be interesting if easily done but my thoughts are it will be fine with the existing wheelbase. I believe it will be easier for you to get into tight spots with your Tot'rTot and TH than us with the coach.
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09-17-2015, 07:37 AM
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I agree with you, Terry, the placement of the pin is what has a lot to do with how easy(hard) it is to back into different spots. With mine unit only being 47', the trouble that I have is the swing of the TV due to the length, also it is almost impossible to catch up without pulling forward at least once, usually 2 or 3 times. With yours Terry, the TV swing is going to be where you run into problems with trees, posts, other vehicles , etc. It is not that you can't do it(which I am sure that you can), it is where the problem will come that you have to overcome. I would try to get the king pin as close to over the axle as you can, this will help minimize the swing clearance that you will need.
Frank
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09-17-2015, 08:40 AM
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I too resort to many corrective back and forth movements.
I am from a different school of thought regarding pin placement. I like the pin above the axle because it will help keep the unit from porpoising (using the rear axle as a fulcrum).
If one could put the pin in front of the axle the trailer would ride much better. You would have clearance issues with the back bumper touching the trailer. An example of this is the jeeps used by heavy haulers.
For tracking having the pin behind the axle will cause the trailer to counter steer like a travel trailer keeping the trailer closer to the track of the truck.
When backing up the pin behind the axle should cause the 5er to be more responsive to any turning movement because of the counter steering.
Just my thoughts . . . . . . . .
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09-17-2015, 10:05 AM
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Gordon, I am pretty set (right now ) on leaving the wheelbase alone. I drove a full truck and trailer (log truck) and put that into some tight spots, I think they actually handle pretty good, Look at some of the new car haulers these days, the truck is long and the 5th wheel is way behind the rear axle, the reasoning behind this is handling and turning radius, the trailer will almost track within the wheels of the truck making it easier to get into some of these car dealerships. Now the only way you can get away with this is with a MDT or an HDT. The 5th wheel behind, (sometimes WAY behind) the rear axle is the most excepted way to set up a big TV now a days, for RV towing. Frank, I don't have a ton of experience with this setup yet, but I used to put semi's in my driveway and remember how I had to cut in, but with this it is much easier, I know I'm a little bit shorter, but the backing and turning in is way easier with this setup. I had to get into and out a couple of gas station driveways and it was nice. Gordon you are correct in saying the 5er is more responsive in backing.
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09-17-2015, 02:13 PM
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Rebuild
Well the Tot'r Tot build is under way, I got the flatbed off, posted it on Craigs list and guy is supposed to come Saturday to buy . Nice, that'll pay for the trany.
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09-17-2015, 06:56 PM
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WHOO HOO! Terry!
The project is officially started!
Our coach has probably 8' behind the rear wheels. I have also backed up alot of trailers so I will call myself skilled better than many. And I can back up our 12' trailer with a 40' coach pretty well. The challenge is lots of CG' s have a ton o f obstructions. No room to swing the coach behind the trailer.
I agree, if the 5th wheel is behind the axle, you will be able to back much better, but gotta watch all that rig in front of the trailer. New parks not so bad as they are big time into the pull through. Old parks can be fun!
We are in a brand new park tonight, all pull through, 90' sites! (Not a typo)
It all works, just gotta deal with it.
L.
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09-17-2015, 07:38 PM
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Exciting news!!
Tot'rTot build be officially noted as started. Looking forward to seeing the next steps.
It will be a while before construction starts but it will be an exciting several+ months of anticipating the next photos or write up.
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09-18-2015, 12:16 AM
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Terry, you do things like me, a floor jack, 6"/6" post, 2/12 board, and two 55 gal. drums!! I love it!! Rail!
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09-18-2015, 04:28 AM
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And the saga begins, The Tot'rTot looks empty sitting there Terry.
Rail,
one uses what One has available to get the job done, we used a tree to bend the roll cage on the 1st stock car that we built.
I agree with the tracking better when the pin is farther behind the axle. But I am just having trouble wrapping my mind around that putting the hitch behind the axle is better. I am sure Terry, that whatever you come up with , will work for you real good.
Frank
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09-18-2015, 04:35 AM
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Good Morning, Lloyd, Gotta love those pull thru's . Gordon, yup, unless something extraordinary happens the actual start of the building part might not start until spring . Got a bunch of crap going on, getting ready for winter, winter, did I say winter? oh well, we will see how much can get done. Rail, is there any other way?? I just jacked up the flat bed after cutting the u bolts slid a beam across two drums in the front one in the back and drive it out .
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09-18-2015, 05:32 AM
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It is a TWOFER
We got a TWOFER, 2 fer the price of one!!!
The TH Build and now the TV Build.
This is WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!
John in Joplin
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09-18-2015, 06:25 AM
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Hi John, Yup the consensus was that I keep the TV build right here, sooo here we are. .
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09-18-2015, 07:04 AM
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this is great news,,,,i hope the weather holds for ya buddy...
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