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Old 09-02-2010, 10:00 AM   #15
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I run a Campground and RV Park. Saftey is my biggest issue. I have had two of the older rigs catch fire. I impose the ten year rule for long term residents but this is not set in stone. It does however give me an out if the people are of questionable characture. As long as the overnight Rigs are presentable they can register. I've had rigs with the tail ends drooping or missing cargo doors or broken windows pull up and when I had taken their reservation they had said their rig was pristine. We are in a national forest area so I send those up the road to do a little boondocking. Point being is there is an exception to any rule. I have seen some beautifuly restored older rigs that I would not hesitate renting to.

Yours is an attitude I totally understand. You need a safety valve and a 10 year policy provides that. You make decisions case by case within the policy making it possible for responsible people to enjoy your facility.

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Old 09-02-2010, 10:03 AM   #16
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I run a Campground and RV Park. Safety is my biggest issue. I have had two of the older rigs catch fire. I impose the ten year rule for long term residents but this is not set in stone.
Last summer we were in the same campground that we are in this year but in a different site. The rig that melted our site's 30 amp plug last summer was a newish unit (only a couple of years old). Seem's they plugged in and had to run all their electric (or so we were told later by the park handyman). They left in their high end rig with out telling anyone what they did. Luckily the site next to us was vacant all summer (only one person tried to pull into it) because we plugged into the 30 amp outlet. So stop blaming older rigs for all the trouble. We have an older rig and it's probably wired up better than the new rigs. I am always reading "this is wrong with my new RV" on the various RV forums. With all the manufacturers that have gone out of business recently, I think you may find that there will be more RV's with problems turning up. So possibly an older RV will be a safer RV.

As for the 10 year rule (our RV is over 30 years old) we like public parks for short term stays. Public parks will take most anything. And anyplace that won't take us in due to either our age (I'm under 55) or our RV's age (over 30) then we can take our $$ elsewhere. Kinda like the towns that won't allow food vendors or make it very difficult (our profession). I wouldn't want to insult someones sensibilities with our "dirty" money. We move on down the road. Too many places out there. I just make sure others know about it.
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And that is some of the many reasons that we choose parking lots over campgrounds/RV parks. I do not want to give my $$ to someone who doesn't want to rent a space to me.

As for TXiceman's "One particular RV "RESORT" north of Houston will would let our 31 year old restored trailer in with the Texas Boomers for a rally, but otherwise we are just out of luck." I would not have stayed there under any circumstance. But then I won't stay in a park that doesn't allow children even though mine are all grown up. To me, it's condoning prejudice. And please don't start posting any crap about the "rights" of folks to have "adult only" parks. I grew up in FL. I remember how kids were treated down there. It's just something I vowed while a teen. My choice, not yours. How come "Adult" clubs are considered trash and "adult" communities (& RV parks) are considered desirable? (As a teenager, after that question, I was requested to leave by management)
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Yours is an attitude I totally understand. You need a safety valve and a 10 year policy provides that. You make decisions case by case within the policy making it possible for responsible people to enjoy your facility.

Good for all of us.

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Personally when I take my rig out I like to boondock. If I wanted to park in a line next to the other person I would just leave it parked where it is and spend the night in it once in awhile. When I do go to a Park it is a state park usually. Hell my rig will be ten years old in 7 years. I plan on still having it and paid for by then.

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So stop blaming older rigs for all the trouble.

What I've read is that the problem stems from wire chafing due to age and miles. Possibly a little shade tree electrical work performed by multiple owners. No blame intended.
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We're new here as well with an '84 Winnebago Elandan.
I've read threads regarding campground ....selectivity....but it seems rather limited and perhaps more apocryphal than anything.

I've read of campgrounds in California that are less than welcoming of entry level Diesel Pushers ... but that seems isolated.

That said, campground owners may be wary of old rigs for a number of reasons including the possibility of safety problems (propane system failures - electrical malfunctions) and the possibility that an old rig brings with it people who are more ... interesting...than the CG would prefer.

Regarding the first issue...there's merit there but if your rig - like ours - is in good condition as evidenced by it's appearance and upkeep it shouldn't be a problem.

On that subject - I was quite disturbed by something I read in the chat forum at the Classic Winnebago Site. One of the regulars related a story about pulling in late and setting up. Even later that night they discovered that the power panel at their site was on fire - later found to be the result of their house model 110 refrigerator drawing too much current. They moved to another site and the following morning paid up and left without taking responsibility for the damage. They and the others in the chat forum thought it was quite a hoot that they got away with it. I found it disgusting. I bring this up because these are the same people who rail against campground discrimination - real or imagined.

As to the other, the posts I've read on the issue reveal that common sense and courtesy trump all. The way you present yourself and your rig will preclude any problems with owners... which is just like life isn't it?

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There is no way to "draw too much current" and cause an electrical fire. Anyone with even a basic understanding of the electrical codes in the United States knows a properly protected circuit will trip. Do you even know what a circuit breaker is used for? So your idea that they "got away with it" has no merit. There's too much bogus info here.


What about the BIG FAT BLOATED RIGS with every imaginable convenience? Just how much current do you think they are drawing? I'll tell you. Most of the BIG FAT BLOATED RIGS need MORE THAN 50 AMPS!. It's ridiculous.

Older rigs are more pure to the idea of adventure. Totally! All the BIG FAT BLOATED RIGS (NEW) are not adventurous in the least. Quite the opposite really. Most are afraid to even scratch their precious paint jobs.

Alright, now line up and take your best shot. I can take it. Though my class A is a 2007, I've spent far more years with old, used and sometimes decrepit campers. Not that they were pig pens, just used. I've said this before in other threads. I think excluding older rigs is disgusting.
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Well let's just leave it at this:

They connected to the panel which was apparently in good condition and had been working properly as evidenced by the site being open for use.

The panel caught fire.

They put it out and moved to another spot.

They made a point of leaving as early as possible to avoid detection of the fire

They didn't tell the owner what had happened

They were celebrating the fact that they got away with it.


So, they seemed to believe the fire was a result of their doing. They acted irresponsibly and were proud of it.

I find that reprehensible. If they'd said - we hooked up and later in the night we discovered the panel on fire so we moved spots and the next morning worked with the owner to determine what the heck had happened - it would be another matter entirely wouldn't it?

The story is as much about the people as the coach.

Obviously I, and everybody else here, appreciate older rigs. What has been put forth is that everybody gets to make choices. Facility owners get to choose those with whom they do business. We, as owners of classic coaches, get to choose where we stay in light of the above. For every exclusive RV resort that caters to the Prevost crowd there is - or will be - a campground who caters to Classics. Here, for example - Starlite Campground Home Page .

The best life lesson I had was growing up in Milwaukee where there was a tavern on every corner and sometimes in the middle of the block. Every tavern had a unique clientel. You frequented the ones that most closely reflected your values and sensibilities, and avoided those that didn't.
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you CANNOT cause a fire by plugging ANYTHING into a panel UNLESS the panel is wired incorrectly. That's it. This isn't rocket science.

Your "thoughts" about what they were thinking are fiction.
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kartvines, From what I see, you really don't want to hang around with the "Prevost crowd". You can park next to me and my "acceptable" Class A anytime. I don't care if you look like the beverly hillbillies either. What you look like is not going to change my social status in any way. Being old has never meant being not good enough. I especially like your way of saying

"Knowing in advance will allow us to map our trip to be able to hit the good parks and avoid the restrictive ones.

You hit the nail right on the head. Get it everyone? "the good parks".
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No help here...

I'm no help to the OP because I've not traveled the route. But in researching routes once or twice I saw a restricted park.

I was appalled since I had no idea this sort of thing went on. I'm kind of surprised anyone gives these parks any business. But since they do, maybe they will make them so popular that they can impose further restrictions. I can see them doing a prettiness test on people.

"Um excuse me Sir, could you send a photo and age? You see we only let in the pretty people so as not to offend the sensibilities of our other patrons."

"Sir, your pot belly is offending my wife. Could you see your way clear to moving to another site so we don't have to look at you? You see we both paid for plastic surgery since were rich and don't feel that we should have to be next to someone who didn't."

"Madam, I'm so sorry we can't take you. Please move on down the road to an old folks park. Our other patrons, and frankly we ourselves, prefer to only look at pretty, young people without wrinkles. If you get a face lift and send a picture we'll think about it."

In the morning everyone can line up for inspection to make sure no one has a hairstyle that is 10 yrs out of date, clothes that are 10 years old or shoes that are not in style. Since they all know nothing over 10 years old is acceptable then they can all make sure they pass inspection with each other.

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Who mostly camps at National Forest Campgrounds anyways.

I guess I'm lucky since I don't have to meet anyone who camps at an age restrictive park (or the owners) and therefore don't have to meet anyone who feels they are better than me because they spent more money on an RV.
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This is the first time I've read the vintage rv fourm. I don't have a vintage TT (2006 model) but I know that in about four years mine will reach the 10 year old rule. I feel as long as your RV is kept up and is mechanicaly sound, you should be able to park anywhere. I too don't frequent privately owned cg's much as we stay in state and corp parks mostly. However, if I want to stay at a privately owned cg, I think my $$ is as good as anyones. I hate all kinds of descrimination.
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We're new here as well with an '84 Winnebago Elandan.
I've read threads regarding campground ....selectivity....but it seems rather limited and perhaps more apocryphal than anything.

I've read of campgrounds in California that are less than welcoming of entry level Diesel Pushers ... but that seems isolated.

That said, campground owners may be wary of old rigs for a number of reasons including the possibility of safety problems (propane system failures - electrical malfunctions) and the possibility that an old rig brings with it people who are more ... interesting...than the CG would prefer.

Regarding the first issue...there's merit there but if your rig - like ours - is in good condition as evidenced by it's appearance and upkeep it shouldn't be a problem.

On that subject - I was quite disturbed by something I read in the chat forum at the Classic Winnebago Site. One of the regulars related a story about pulling in late and setting up. Even later that night they discovered that the power panel at their site was on fire - later found to be the result of their house model 110 refrigerator drawing too much current. They moved to another site and the following morning paid up and left without taking responsibility for the damage. They and the others in the chat forum thought it was quite a hoot that they got away with it. I found it disgusting. I bring this up because these are the same people who rail against campground discrimination - real or imagined.

As to the other, the posts I've read on the issue reveal that common sense and courtesy trump all. The way you present yourself and your rig will preclude any problems with owners... which is just like life isn't it?

Happy Trails!

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Very well said. I find that a lot of people leave their "common sense" at home. Hum! I wonder, did they have any common sense in the first place? I also wonder how much time the camp ground had to spend on trying to find the fault of the fire. Ground problem?, loose wire?, bad plug? or just another stupid camper? Time is money and we wonder why the cost of camp ground's are going up.
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... hillbillies...
In today's politically correct terminology, those were "Appalachian Americans". I know, my children were born in the Southern Appalachian mountains (the Nantatahalas to be exact).
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