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Old 10-17-2010, 09:31 AM   #1
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15% ethanol gasoline

Are you ready to have this stupidity rammed down your throat? Well I've been doing something about it for years. Support your favorite Scotch whiskey producer. They have patented the production of biobutanol and hopefully it will kick ethanol production in the teeth.

Whiskey-Derived Fuel Patented in Scotland – Gas 2.0

This is not some BS process either.

By the way, you're getting this 15% mix rammed down your throat because the government promised we would use 12 billion gallons of this ethanol poison by this year. So ANY of your conservation efforts are for NOTHING. Less gas sold equated to less ethanol sold. Guaranteed lower miles per gallon
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Old 10-17-2010, 11:22 AM   #2
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I read the news report on E-15 (We get E-10 now) and it is only approved for 2007 or later cars, NOT for my 2005 Workhorse.

E-any number greater than zero, is a fraud, costs more oil to make a gallon of E than you save by mixing it with gasoline, and you get worse MPG with E-n than with E-0.

Though I do admit E-2, in January, IN Michigan... good thing.

(The alcohol absorbs water and as the ad used to say "My advice sir, Get DE-ICER" prevents gas line freezup.. Having been there and done that,,, I switched to E-very small number, and no more gas line freezup.

Then another ham who was having car trouble... Did the same thing after I heard his problem and told him the answer.
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Old 10-17-2010, 08:13 PM   #3
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Here is a site I found that shows places to get regular gas by state.

pure-gas.org
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:33 AM   #4
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Here is a site I found that shows places to get regular gas by state.

pure-gas.org

Great site! I like the mapping feature; especially when out on the road, in new territory. Thanks for sharing
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This will raise heck with alot of vehicle engines, and most likely will destroy millions of older bikes, quads, powerboats, snowmobiles, gensets and power equipment.

On the upside, it does make the gas v diesel decision easier to make
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This will raise heck with alot of vehicle engines, and most likely will destroy millions of older bikes, quads, powerboats, snowmobiles, gensets and power equipment.

On the upside, it does make the gas v diesel decision easier to make
The gas vs diesel decision would have been easier if it hadn't been for the latest diesel emission requirements that added $10-15k to the price of a diesel motor home.
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I am a rv and a boater you just cannot imagine how much ethanol has cost my fellow boaters in repair to their fuel systems. To repair an outboard that has had ethanol seperation and gotten into the system is at leat $1500.00
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Old 10-18-2010, 07:31 AM   #8
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Ford told me I cannot use the 15% in my 2008 v10.
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I just now realized something. It's pointless to even discuss this since nobody will do anything about it. So officially, though I brought it up, I no longer care. Everyone will be dragged down the rabbit hole. It takes a lot of effort to jump up and down waving flags to bring attention to things. Have a good day.
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Old 10-19-2010, 06:53 AM   #10
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As I understand the ruling it would -make available- E15 but also require different nozzels and labeling as it is only approved for 2007 and later vehicles, so there is still hope which is why you should still care about it.
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If you read the article you would have seen this part.
What Vehicles and Engines May Not Use E15?
  • All motorcycles.
  • All vehicles with heavy-duty engines, such as school buses, transit buses, and delivery trucks.
  • All off-road vehicles, such as boats and snowmobiles.
  • All engines in off-road equipment, such as lawnmowers and chain saws.
  • All MY2000 and older cars, light-duty trucks, and SUVs.
  • All 2001-2006 cars, light-duty trucks, and medium-duty passenger vehicles (pending a waiver decision with respect to those vehicles).
What Vehicles May Use E15?
  • MY2007 and newer cars.
  • MY2007 and newer light-duty trucks.
  • MY2007 and newer medium-duty passenger vehicles.
Plus all E15 pumps will be marked just like E85 pumps are,the rest of the pumps will be E10 or regular unleaded gas.
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I don't see the cause for panic. Ccook129 said it - nobody is ramming E15 down our throats (thankfully!). The EPA reg merely allows gas stations to sell E15, if suitable labeled. Now if the states start mandating it, as many did for E10, then I'm gonna start complaining. And I'm sure the ethanol industry will lobby for that, so keep on watch for it.

I like Florida's approach: the pumps can be E10 only if it results in a lower fuel cost than pure gasoline.
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