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Old 08-20-2010, 10:33 AM   #15
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I am probably going to get my chops busted here, but there are good reasons to have zoning and building codes. And that is to protect property values by prohibiting buildings that the general public may not feel are in charactor with other buildings in the area or structures that may not meet local wind, snow or seismec loads. Your right to build what you want doesn't automatically trump someone elses right to expect some level of orderly development. I am not talking about building a small deck without a permit, but putting up what could be a cheap (compared to stick built construction) looking plastic or corrugated metal shelter that could be 12'x14'x40'. Now I don't know what your neighborhood looks like, and a portable shelter might be typical, but where I live, I can't park my RV in my own yard more than a week without being cited by my neighborhood association. And I am glad because other wise my street would be trailers, commercial trucks, boats and RV's from end to end and that is not what I or the majority of my neighbors want. You know, the majority rules in our democratic society. And that means you can't make all of the people happy all of the time.

I feel bad for you that you spent $2400 without checking to see if that type of shelter is allowed on your property. And I will feel particularly bad if your shelter would fit in fine in your commercial/residential neighborhood.

Without order we have chaos.

If I were to join an association then I would abide by the groups rules. If I leave the checkout in a store I will not allow searching of my goods at the door BUT when leaving the COSTCO warehouse I allow checking of my wagonload of goods. I JOINED and honor the agreement in force when I signed. What's going on is the micro managing of peoples lives and property. It's a POWER thing going on and those in power always look for more of it. That's the new American way. The rules or codes get changed without the general public having any say or even preview of the changes. Here in wonderful Long Island they even made a rule against outdoor wood burning furnaces. Why? Because a local politician doesn't like the smoke in his yard. Forget the fact that the wood burning stove even with smoke is CO2 neutral and reduces dependence on foreign oil. I'm waiting for fireplaces to be banned.

Getting back to the problem.

Build the garage attached and thumb your nose at all those bothered by your temporary tent. You can buy a prefab kit for that. Think about metal since the concrete footing requirement is much less than for a wood building. They will often supply full plans for th local building department. Metal buildings don't always look ugly. Look around on the internet. Not being able to park you MH on your own property is worth fighting over. Keep an eye over your shoulder. Someone called the code enforcer.


That last line is the killer for me. With ORDER YOU HAVE COMMUNISM/SOCIALISM.

This is/was the United States of America. I spent too many years of my life without oppresive rules and there was NO CHAOS. Of course I realize there is not a snowball's chance in ---- of fixing this.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:53 AM   #16
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When I bought my house almost 17 years ago I was allowed to park my motorhome on my property as long as it was behind a fence. I couldn't park in my yard because I have a pool but the people across the street had 2 lots and I was able to park in their yard (set up w/ water & electric for their motorhome that they now parked permanently at the lake). Then along came a Property Management Company for our Homeowners Assn. and then I couldn't park here for more than 36 hours. Somewhere along the way the 36 hours disappeared and now I am not supposed to park longer than to load and unload.
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Stencil the name of your business on the side of the MH. Then tell them it's part of the business.

You also have some advertising when you are on the road, but don't forget to acquire a commercial driver's license.

One way or another, they are going to get your $$$.
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Sorry Wayne, that won't work either. There is another HOA rule against running a business from our residence.
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This is/was the United States of America. I spent too many years of my life without oppresive rules and there was NO CHAOS. Of course I realize there is not a snowball's chance in ---- of fixing this.
You know one of the great things about the US of A? There is something for everybody. If you don't like the rules where you are, you have the freedom to move to a place like Texas, where, according to Lukeaa:

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Sorry Wayne, that won't work either. There is another HOA rule against running a business from our residence.
Different rules for different HOA's, and the question would be if a business is within HOA purview. It was already stated, I think, that the business was next to a residence.
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buttom line Is that we own and pay tax on properties but we can't do crap special the tax that we pay in NJ.
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A guy in my Mother's HOA was gigged for parking his pickup truck in his driveway and finally lost a court case on it. He bought a surplus arm half track personnel carrier and put that in his driveway. It was not mentioned in the deed restrictions and he kept it. They changed the bylaws and he went back to court and got grandfathered in. You can be the Nazi attitudes in these HOA's but it take a lot of money and determination.
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HOA or POA = Nazi organization. If you are going to have an RV you have to research before you buy or put up with the rules.

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HOA or POA = Nazi organization. If you are going to have an RV you have to research before you buy or put up with the rules. ken
What about those of us who DID research before we bought and then they changed the rules on us?
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In 1965 there were only 500 home owner associations in the entire United States. Now there are 250,000!!! 50 million people who are willing to live like communists (not Nazis)! The statistics show affluent people, aka motorhome owners, and those near retirement age without children are leading us down the slippery slope. That's why I stated we don't have a snowball's chance in ----. I'm not one of them. Never will be till I die and join that communistic cemetery DOA. Won't be able to park it there either.
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Let me just add this. To those who joined and are in HOA's, you knew the reason for joining. You wanted to exert control on others and safeguard your investment like it was a business.

Anyway, to quote Pogo "We have met the enemy, and he is us."
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Woodydel,

I joined a homeowners association because I wanted to live like a communist? Are you serious? And there is a problem with wanting to safeguard my investment? Get a life man.

I built a house in a decent subdivision with some rules, in a township that had decent zoning and building codes because I wanted neighbors like myself that appreciated a neat house with a backyard that didn't have a tree being used for an engine hoist.

Now, I added a section to my drive 3 years ago next to the garage which is big enough to park my RV for a few days, even up to a week, while I get ready for a trip. Would I like to store it there full time? It sure would be convenient for me, but I respect my neighbor's wishes that outside storage of big items like that are not how they (or I) want the subdivision to look like. So I pay to put it in storage a few miles away at $40/month and am happy to do so. (just trying to stay on topic here).

If I really wanted to store my RV on my property, and I wanted to put up a shelter for it, I could buy some acreage a few miles away, where such things are the norm, and all would be well. I could even use that big o' tree to jerk the engine out of my Jeep if I needed to.
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I joined a homeowners association because I wanted to live like a communist? Are you serious? And there is a problem with wanting to safeguard my investment? Get a life man.

I built a house in a decent subdivision with some rules, in a township that had decent zoning and building codes because I wanted neighbors like myself that appreciated a neat house with a backyard that didn't have a tree being used for an engine hoist.

Now, I added a section to my drive 3 years ago next to the garage which is big enough to park my RV for a few days, even up to a week, while I get ready for a trip. Would I like to store it there full time? It sure would be convenient for me, but I respect my neighbor's wishes that outside storage of big items like that are not how they (or I) want the subdivision to look like. So I pay to put it in storage a few miles away at $40/month and am happy to do so. (just trying to stay on topic here).

If I really wanted to store my RV on my property, and I wanted to put up a shelter for it, I could buy some acreage a few miles away, where such things are the norm, and all would be well. I could even use that big o' tree to jerk the engine out of my Jeep if I needed to.

I'm not some low life living like a bum. Get that straight. I live in the land of taxes NY. You know, where the rich and famous hang out in the Hamptons.

LIVING WITH COMMUNISM IS THE SAME AS BEING DEAD

Do you even know what the definition of communism really is? Everyone the same. That's why it fails. It does not take into account human wants and desires to get ahead. The desire to be unique.

I believe you must abide by your decision to honor your agreement. As my father in law said about his second wife after his wife died. "I made my bed and have to live with it."

That still makes HOA's a communistic concept. Maybe you didn't really think out the philosophical implications. How about the HOA's changes to the rules? Guess that wouldn't bother you either.

I havn't got a prayer of changing your position. I'm just bothered by the stealing of property rights and people putting up with it.

I think you will feel just fine with the new regime in D.C.

I park my MH anywhere I choose on my property. I'll accommodate a neighbor if I CHOOSE to do so. I could plant tall hedges, evergreens or use other methods to disguise the MH. See, that's the friendly neighborly thing to do. How about this new concept of keeping not so new motorhomes out of some campgrounds.? Now I know where that elitist idea originated.

HOA's!!!

HOA's the lousiest sales pitch ever invented. Who falls for it? The very people who buy motorhomes. What a lousy joke.

Build your MH garage attached to your house. There are no size height restrictions to your home. THEN MOVE!
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