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Old 08-23-2010, 11:26 AM   #29
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Not being allowed to park your motorhome is the least of your worries. It's all the other controls being exerted upon you which are the real problem. Some are not Constitutional.

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I'm all for a guy blowing off steam, but at least he ought to be accurate and educated on his postings.
so woodydel equates hoa's to communism. in addition asks if we in fact know the definition of communism. so, here goes:
1/ classes abolished - he got that right. but, i'm not sure how a hoa abolishes the economic classes within a community. each member still has private control of his assets...some have more and some have less. so...no class abolishment here.
2/ property is commonly controlled - somehow, i sort of think, woodydel has equated the acceptance of restrictive rules as common control of property.
not so..members still maintain ownership and control of property, although members must adhere to certain restrictions.
3/production of resources is collective. doesn't apply here.

if we agree on the above accepted definition of communism, we should be able to agree that hoa's are not a form of communism.
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I honestly don't understand why this is such a polarizing issue. Those of us who live in HOA neighborhoods knew (or should have!) that there were deed restrictions and covenants when we bought the property. We knew what the tradeoffs involved - in return for my not being able to store my RV in my driveway, I don't have to worry about my neighbor starting a hog farm in his backyard. We decided that the benefits of deed restrictions and covenants outweighed the disadvantages. My money - my choice.

If others don't see it the same way, that's fine. They should buy unrestricted property and take what comes insofar as any surrounding development is concerned. Their money - their choice.

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We bought in a non HOA development. I can a and do park my RV in my yard (1.25 Acres) and so do a lot of my neighbors. We do not have Hog Farms but people do keep Horses and park trucks in the driveway. Almost everyone has an outbuilding, all are in the general design of the House and nobody is offended. One of our neighbors started keeping goats and there next door neighbor really didn't like the smell so they went to the goat keeper and ask them to please clean up after the goats. Things got better but the goat keeper soon decided it was too much work to keep things clean and got rid of the goats.

We do this without regulations or a HOA. I think the size of the neighborhood matters. In ours there are 19 properties, any more would make it necessary you have hard fixed rules, and I wouldn't live there. It's a choice, I'm at some risk because we depend on people being neighbors not investment brokers and it works, at least here in New Mexico. Perhaps people are more naive or trusting here but for me I don't need to be from the big city where you can't talk to your neighbor, and god forbid you talk to a child in the mall.

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Old 08-24-2010, 10:25 AM   #33
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Well Rusty, in my case I've lived in a HOA for 20 years. Had no problem and agreed with the rules to keep property up. But since the attorneys took over the board positions gradually and the rules have changed (mainly due to disinterest by the homeowners) it has gotten pretty unbelievable in the neighborhood.

The city law (San Antonio) states you can park your rig for 72 hours to load and 24 hours to unload. (I try to keep to the night before park, cool-down and leave next day. Unloading I keep to 6 hours or less including upkeep.)

The HOA has passed their own rules stating you can't park an RV on city streets. (Not legal according to San Antonio) The down size is every time I park the rig (city street) the local police start getting phone calls that the rig has been there for 5 days or more, is abandoned, broken down or being lived in. I have had a wrecker show up 3 different times for towing.(undersized I might add) These have been anonymous phone calls to the police most of the time, although they have issued a couple of tickets to several board members in the past for malicious phone calls that did leave their names and I was able to prove the above was not true.

The present solution is when I bring the rig in I called a local police officer (we're on a first name basis) and he marks the time the rig arrives and the clock starts. When I come back from a trip, same thing. Even with this set up, I still have other officers or calls all the time about illegal parking or having notice posted on windshield to move rig in 24 hours or be towed.

Now is this a way to live with your HOA who is clearly doing illegal activities??? The cops can't due anything about the phony calls unless they leave a name. By the way, all of the neighbors on my block have signed a list that they are not disturbed or in anyway upset with the rig in front of the house. Both the police and HOA have a copy of that list.

Why should I have to spend all of my time fighting/defending/proving what I do is legal to begin with???????

Just my two cents on what HOA's can become, and yes I'm finally looking in the country.

By the way, this pass year the HOA passed a rule that you must submit a 12" x 12" board with your selection of paint on it that you are proposing to paint your house for approval. They have final say on if you can or not. Some of the homeowners are just now finding this out. No law suits yet.

Now is the most important part, ours is a VOLUNTEER HOA, they tried to make it a mandatory HOA last year but it did not past (Local law states they can't change ii until 30 years after the last house sold in the development.)

Gee, I feel much better--------

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I'm all for a guy blowing off steam, but at least he ought to be accurate and educated on his postings.
so woodydel equates hoa's to communism. in addition asks if we in fact know the definition of communism. so, here goes:
1/ classes abolished - he got that right. but, i'm not sure how a hoa abolishes the economic classes within a community. each member still has private control of his assets...some have more and some have less. so...no class abolishment here.
2/ property is commonly controlled - somehow, i sort of think, woodydel has equated the acceptance of restrictive rules as common control of property.
not so..members still maintain ownership and control of property, although members must adhere to certain restrictions.
3/production of resources is collective. doesn't apply here.

if we agree on the above accepted definition of communism, we should be able to agree that hoa's are not a form of communism.


BOTTOM LINE IS SIMPLE: You lose control of your property while being subjected to the conditions of the HOA. If you don't have total control you do not have full ownership.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY INSTANCE OF PURE COMMUNISM.

What you are doing is splitting hairs.

Just the thought of having to ask for permission to park your motorhome on your property is ludicrous. I would guess most who are in HOA's have been tricked or uninformed of the consequences. Most, I believe, just sign papers as they are handed to them by their lawyers.

A clarification for you: I am not saying that people who are in HOA's are communists. HOA's are just a communistic style of living. The collection of properties though they look separate are not. Individual property rights are denied as are some civil rights.


If you don't like the word communist, substitute the word socialist. It still stinks.
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Well Rusty, in my case I've lived in a HOA for 20 years. Had no problem and agreed with the rules to keep property up. But since the attorneys took over the board positions gradually and the rules have changed (mainly due to disinterest by the homeowners) it has gotten pretty unbelievable in the neighborhood.
One of the basic rules of physics is that nature abhors a vacuum - if the property owners don't manage their affairs, someone else will step in and do so. Our HOA (2650 homes) is self-governing - we do NOT employ a management company, but rather have one full-time administrator who is an employee of the HOA board. If, as your statement above implies, the property owners don't care enough to attend HOA board meetings, to campaign for HOA board candidates who share their point of view, or (God forbid) even get off their duffs and run for a board position themselves, then like any other government body, it can turn sour pretty quickly.

In our HOA, the deed restrictions and covenants cannot be changed by the HOA board - each section (there are 16 in our subdivision) has its own unique deed restrictions, and these can be modified only by a vote of the property owners in that section.

We've lived in our home for over 13 years and have yet to receive our first nastygram from the HOA. I have no complaints.

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Old 08-24-2010, 11:00 AM   #36
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My motorhome purchase has made me aware of more than I bargained. How can all these changes in people's attitudes change so radically? Are people too old to fight back? As you age do you become more afraid of life? What could be the purpose of owning a motorhome? To find out, as I see here, you have lost America instead of just exploring it before they plant you in the ground?

I'll say it again, there isn't a snowball's chance in ---- of stopping this.
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I honestly don't understand why this is such a polarizing issue. Those of us who live in HOA neighborhoods knew (or should have!) that there were deed restrictions and covenants when we bought the property. We knew what the tradeoffs involved - in return for my not being able to store my RV in my driveway, I don't have to worry about my neighbor starting a hog farm in his backyard. We decided that the benefits of deed restrictions and covenants outweighed the disadvantages. My money - my choice.

If others don't see it the same way, that's fine. They should buy unrestricted property and take what comes insofar as any surrounding development is concerned. Their money - their choice.

Rusty

Unfounded fear is what motivates people to tolerate restrictions. That's exactly how people are controlled by propagandists.

Do as you please. Wait, am I giving you permission?

There are 50 million of you doing this. It's not normal American behavior historically. You're tying up property with restrictions for all future buyers. What's wrong with standing up for yourself?

Is it too scary?
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Unfounded fear is what motivates people to tolerate restrictions. That's exactly how people are controlled by propagandists.
Controlled by propagandists? Our HOA is democracy in action. To be a board member, one has to be a property owner, and only property owners can vote.

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There are 50 million of you doing this. It's not normal American behavior historically. You're tying up property with restrictions for all future buyers.
Any property within a city or county that has a zoning code has restrictions. What you may not be aware of is that we live in unincorporated Harris County, Texas, and Harris County as well as the City of Houston do NOT have zoning. Therefore, deed restrictions and covenants are a method of controlling development within a particular subdivision - as I said, not everyone wants a hog farm next door.

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What's wrong with standing up for yourself? Is it too scary?
You obviously don't know me, or you wouldn't be calling me out. Bud, you DON'T want to start down that road, OK?

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Move to Texas. You can do just about anything you want to do there.
Just make sure you don't get caught and if you do , deny, deny, deny

Living in the boonies has it's positives especially if you have a few acres and nice neighbors !
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When I purchased my Florida home I had a requirement to be able to park an RV at my home.

All the gated communities were too restrictive and would not allow it but did offer a Community where home values would remain more stable. This is important to a large group of people in Florida but they can't complain about parking. Some areas won't even allow a pickup truck. But this is "Choice" and is for the benefit of people that like restrictions.

For my house I can park an MH as long as the front does not protrude from the front of the house. Any cover built must be 6 ft or more from the property line. Most of the houses I looked at did not qualify. I don'tlike some the restrictions but I am stuck with them but my home meets the requirements I had. So at least I have a 20 x 40 carport to put my rv in. In our county when the commisioners vote on a more restrictive code older homes are grandfathered in.

I can have 1 shed, 1 carport, and 1 detached garage. When I bought I could have had 2 sheds and it magically changed one day without warning.
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50 Million people want to be restricted in their actions AND want to restrict others. I guess I'm missing the point about being a citizen of the United States of America. Gee, I wonder why it wasn't like this when I was born? What changed so many people? This is much worse than not being able to park your motorhome on your property. There is no doubt owners of HOA's will come up with some reason to justify their decision to be controlled.

"Controlled by propagandists?" You don't get it. Your fear, your imagined fear which made you look for "safety" in an HOA is used every single day against you. You miss my point.


You're actually imagining a hog farm being next door so you opt for total control of your property be given away?

Zoning codes. They used to be simple. Now even they have escalated in overriding your rights. You even like it! Now a building code makes sense. For safety, get it?


Just how the heck did you twist this around in your head?

"What's wrong with standing up for yourself? Is it too scary?"

You're afraid of HOG FARMS BEING NEXT DOOR!!!! and you don't think you can handle it.



Read the Garfield Heights manifesto. Local "zoning" gone nuts and the people affected don't like it.
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I don't understand your need to rant at others regarding this subject. As I said, if you don't like HOAs and zoning, buy your unrestricted property and do as you please. I respect your choice and expect nothing less than your respect of mine.

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