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Old 01-05-2015, 10:45 PM   #1
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Unhappy Black Water Problems ???

We are having a problem with the waste (black) from our 2008 Fleetwood Bounder 37D. We are currently Snow Birding and things are going great with the exception of solid waste (Black). We have been setup in the same space for a couple of months so that maybe contributing to the problem. I have been letting the black water level build up to 2/3 or more before dumping. Last two times I dumped the solids had piled up in the tank and are not being flush out.

I use the tank flush 5-6 times and fill it back up to 2/3 or more before opening the valve again. This does not seem to be cleaning out the solid wastes. Don't know if we are using the wrong paper, chemicals or how to resolve this problem.

Any thoughts or solutions are appreciated. Sorry for this subject but I really need to find a solubtion.....

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I would think a couple bags of ice down the toilet and a short drive would assist in breaking up the solids to make it easier to dump. I know you said you are Snow Birding, but a short drive every once in a while might assist with other problems in the future from lack of use.

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I would think a couple bags of ice down the toilet and a short drive would assist in breaking up the solids to make it easier to dump. I know you said you are Snow Birding, but a short drive every once in a while might assist with other problems in the future from lack of use.

Good luck.
We are moving to a new location tomorrow, but there has to be a better answer than moving around. Others don't have this problems so something must be wrong with the way I'm doing business (so to speak).

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Sounds like you are already using plenty of water, but try using lots more water with each flush and black tank treatment. Happy Camper seems to get the best reviews.
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With the tank outlet valve open and the internal spray wand spraying, I usually fill the toilet bowl with water almost to the rim then flush the toilet to throw a quick blast of a few gallons of water into the tank to push out any solids from the bottom of the tank. I repeat this a couple of times during each tank dump. I suspect that a larger volume of water, say a 5 gallon bucket full, dumped as quickly as possible into the open toilet flush hole would be even more effective at pushing out any leftovers if a more forceful clensing is needed but I haven't found this necessary and it could make a mess in the bathroom if not handled carefully.
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I will try more water to start with after a dump and more chemical. Seems like breaking down the solids and paper is the key. But when they pile up it is hard to get them out.

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The use of more water is certainly a necessary step to help suspend solids. Do keeping mind one thing and that is temperature. Many of the products that we use to keep our black tanks free flowing are enzyme or bacterial based. Both of these biologic act much more slowly in cold temperatures. Our tanks usually clear pretty quickly but the last month when temperatures have bee low I have noticed a similar requirement to flush more times to completely clear solids. YMMV but this might be a contributor to your issue

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I will try more water to start with after a dump and more chemical. Seems like breaking down the solids and paper is the key. But when they pile up it is hard to get them out.

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The key is usually more water. Use plenty of water when flushing, and keep the black tank drain CLOSED until it is ready to dump. Also, test the brand of toilet paper you are using to make sure it is breaking down. There are many threads on the forum about toilet paper and how to test it to make sure it works well in RVs. Though most say it isn't necessary, we have only used "RV" specific toilet paper in our RV since we've owned it. Make sure that NOTHING goes into the toilet except body waste and TP. No feminine products, wet wipes, etc. should be introduced into an RV tank, though a good chemical treatment may help breaking down solids.
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Happy Camper Extreme will most likely solve your problem. Once a year I have a team come in that cleans the black and grey tanks with high pressure from the inside of the tanks. This will break up any thing! Check around these companies are not everywhere but one of the owners lives in Willow Lakes with us and he may be able to help or know of a firm in your area. The ice cube trick is just that, a trick. PM me if you need further info.
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I would reiterate the use of the rv specific toilet paper. Use of the ultrastrong ultrasoft type paper will almost certainly result in the problem you see. Of course, your wife may not like that kind of paper-mine doesn't-but it is necessary to use paper that breaks up easily.
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This may not be the norm but it works for us.

Years ago when we bought our first RV, an elderly women who my wife knew told us that she NEVER EVER put toilet paper into the black tank. She kept a small waste can next to the toilet and put the used TP in it. She insisted that anyone who used her facilities did the same thing. We took her advice and never had a problem. We empty the small trash can on a regular basis and it is not a problem.

Back about 5 years ago we buddied up with one of my wife's friends to attend a dog show in Wisconsin. We were parked for ~5-6 days. When it was time to leave we dumped our black and grey tanks, no problem. When she (1 person in the coach) tired to dump the black water nothing happen. We tried different things but what finally worked is we started rocking her coach sideways back and forth until it broke loose and finally dumped. I'd hate to thing of other alternatives if that didn't work.
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As others have said use lots of water.
Every time you pack up to move the coach add 4-5 gallons of water to the tank and a 1/4 cup of Pine sol or Dawn to the tank. All the way to your next site you'll be washing that tank, works for me for a lot of years.
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I have tried it all and found Calgon water softener works the best and back flush with this. Flush King - Valterra FK-01 - Sewer Flushing - Camping World
Close the bottom gate and open black water gate and let it flow. Tank looks very clean when I am done. It takes about 3 times to flush it all out.Notice the water hose connecter.
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