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Old 03-29-2013, 07:55 AM   #1
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Charging problem please help!!!!!

On my 2006 fleetwood discovery my house battery's will not charge with the engine alternator and the alternator is good, but it will charge with generator on or if I'm plugged in to shore power. Any ideas what this could be? I have been on the road for three days and I have to run my gen set. Joe
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If yours is like mine, the cross-over switch set-up (sometimes called a BIRD switch - Bi-Directional Isolator Relay Delay) has fused circuits that control all the workings.
Here's one type: http://www.beaveramb.org/PDF/PDF%20M...dbird/BIRD.pdf

I had the same symptom and found that it was just one fuse that had blown. This fuse was part of the motorhome electronics under the hood - not the truck fuses under the dash - and not the house fuses inside the RV.

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The continuous duty solenoid in the BIRD is known to have a pretty high failure rate and can cause the problem. I replaced one for a friend. It would click when 12 volts was applied but the contacts did not make.
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Second the above opinion. Probably the solenoid. Moisture causes corrosion leading to shorts in the solenoid.
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Where are these components located does anyone know? The solenoid and the bird.
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Where are these components located does anyone know? The solenoid and the bird.
Turn the ignition key on and off, and you will hear the solenoid click. Just follow the click.
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Turn the ignition key on and off, and you will hear the solenoid click. Just follow the click.
So it as to be Somewhere under the dash is that right?
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Mine is under the hood with the battery control center. Looks kind of like an old ford starter solenoid. Sometimes silver in color. It also is usually what works as the emergency start system. Do you hear a click when you push the emergency start switch. You can try that with the engine not running so you can hear better. They are prone to failure. You can pick one up for $20.00. I keep a spare.
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Where are these components located does anyone know? The solenoid and the bird.
should be near the batteries. Cables from both batteries will lead you to the solenoid. Once you find the solenoid, while someone is depressing the battery boost switch ( or hold it on with a button or something) check the small wires that connect to the solenoid for power. If power is going to the solenoid then check the voltage of the house batteries , if voltage is below 13 with engine running and boost switch depressed then most likely the solenoid is fried.
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Ok today I will try all that and I will post back what I find, thank you very much to all for the help. Joe
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So it as to be Somewhere under the dash is that right?
No. More likely on the front of the firewall. Check for a metal box about a foot square, with battery sized cables going into it, possibly labelled relays. Other than that, it might be mounted near the batteries.
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Ok I think I fixed it and I found the solenoid, I found two blown fuses so replaced them both and checked for power going in to the solenoid on the thick wires 12 volts and thin wires 6 volts. Thank you all for your help. Joe
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Thanks for the update. Glad you got it fixed.
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Old 04-30-2013, 08:46 PM   #14
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Hi everyone, a friend of mine as a problem with the charging system, he needs that solenoid (bird) but from fleetwoodnit costs over $100.00, some of you guys have bought them before for around $20.00, where do you guys bought it, and what brand or part number. Thanks. Joe
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