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Old 02-05-2006, 11:00 AM   #1
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This is in regard to a MH that is still under warranty.
I've heard a lot of bad things about delamination. What is it and how bad does it have to be that you try to insist that it be fixed before the warranty runs out.
All of the sides of my MH are smooth and straight except the slide out part. I have never noticed any dampness and have never suspected a leak.
It's pretty easy to see slight rollers (don't know what to call this) in the skin on the slide out part. On one part about 18" X maybe 24" I can actually push the skin in maybe a 1/16 or a 32" of an inch. Just enough to know it's not attached. The dealer just kind of shrugs it off as normal expansion and contraction and tells me I'm lucky to have so few problems as he see many more , more expensive MH's with much more and bigger problems. I probably agree with this.
If it was'nt under warranty, I probably would'nt be concerned about it and would just hope it does'nt get worse in time.
Do you guys think I could have a future problem? The warranty expires 5/02/06
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This is in regard to a MH that is still under warranty.
I've heard a lot of bad things about delamination. What is it and how bad does it have to be that you try to insist that it be fixed before the warranty runs out.
All of the sides of my MH are smooth and straight except the slide out part. I have never noticed any dampness and have never suspected a leak.
It's pretty easy to see slight rollers (don't know what to call this) in the skin on the slide out part. On one part about 18" X maybe 24" I can actually push the skin in maybe a 1/16 or a 32" of an inch. Just enough to know it's not attached. The dealer just kind of shrugs it off as normal expansion and contraction and tells me I'm lucky to have so few problems as he see many more , more expensive MH's with much more and bigger problems. I probably agree with this.
If it was'nt under warranty, I probably would'nt be concerned about it and would just hope it does'nt get worse in time.
Do you guys think I could have a future problem? The warranty expires 5/02/06
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Old 02-05-2006, 03:50 PM   #3
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If the Dealer says you have delam it is only going to get worse.

If you think you have delam it is only going to get worse.

It is a very expensive problem and needs to be fixed while under warrinty.

If the dealer won't or can't do anything, maybe a trip to the factory is in order.

Take some pictures, request that a factory rep inspect it.

You are really talking big bucks to fix delam, plus you need to find the leak that caused it.

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The dealer did'nt say it was delamination, and if I had'nt read so much about other peoples problems with delamination, I probably would'nt have thought any thing about it. That's why I was asking what delamination is. I never get any dampness at all so it is not leaking inside the mh for sure. I might try, but not sure the camera will pick anything up, the sun has to be shing just right for anyone to see slight rollers. I'm not sure I have a problem, si if I do , I'll probably have to find a dealer who thinks I do before I could get a factory rep to look at it. I'll see what a couple of dealers say about it
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Max,

Let's state the obvious that lamination is when you lay up several layers of material and bond them together. A good quality job of lamination is done evenly with no voids or gaps in the bond. If you have any areas at all where the surface material is not bonded to the other layers then you have a defective bond and delamination.

In your case on such a new coach it could be a factory defect with the bond failing or water/moisture damage. You really need to chase it down before it gets any worse. Whatever the cause, factory defect or water damage, it will only continue to get worse untill it is fixed. Roof seams, gutters and any windows or accessories abouve the delaminated area needs to be checked for a bad seal/caulking. You may not see any visible signs of water until it is too late. A factory defect will not be really apparent until the repairs are done.

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My trailer is at the factory for the second time with delamination.Mine was pointed out by a friend.Take a few pics at differant angles and diffent light.Dont second guess it,it is very expensive repair.Mine came back home and I found it damaged in other spots This time they didnt question me and came and got it.I have had it and am trading it in.
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Get it fixed while still under warranty. Delamination is any separation of the outer surface from the underlayment. Moisture is only one cause,another is a partial or split second plug in the glue sprayer causing a "hole" in the application. Whatever the cause stay after your dealer to get it repaired. It will slowly spread at the edges...
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Do you guys think I could have a future problem? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Even if you don't have it repaired and it gets no worse, delamination has the potential of diminishing resale value dramatically. Think about it; would you pay as much for a 'used' rig with delamination as you would the same rig without it??
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Insist that the manufacturer fix it under warranty. As Driver noted, it will knock some $$$ off the value if it is not repaired. Generally the best place to get this sort of work done is at the manufacturer.

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Thanks guys, I've got an appt for a leaky air bag on Fr. I'll have them look at it but I'd be willing to bet they'll say ,I don't have a problem. I actually don't know if I do. It's just that the slide wall does'nt seem to be as smooth as the rest of the coach. I've tried to take pics but you can't see anything. I wish someone would post some pics of real delamination so I'd know what it looks like.




My son said this is what he thinks delamination would look like, he did it with photoshop to trick me
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Max,

If you have slight rollers in the skin where you can actually push the skin in maybe a 1/16 or a 32" of an inch. Just enough to know it's not attached. Then you do have delaminiation. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. You have to stand your ground on this and refuse to let them put you off. No matter what the cause water or factory defect it and the cause needs to be fixed before it gets any worse.

A camera angle more parralel down the side of the coach may help reveal it better in photographs. Your sons photoshop attempt would be a very severe case that could require rebuilding the entire slide.

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