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Old 06-29-2019, 06:57 AM   #43
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Retired 6 years ago and have bought several motorhomes, have $50000 more in my retirement account than I had then, hope things don't change.

The economy has always worked in cycles, what goes up must come down! It's just a matter of WHEN.
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Old 06-29-2019, 10:47 AM   #44
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The economy has always worked in cycles, what goes up must come down! It's just a matter of WHEN.
At my age, I will be gone before WHEN arrives.
Read a story about a guy that made a lot of money in the crash of 2008, when a lot of people lost money. Depends on how market savvy you are.
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Old 06-30-2019, 01:07 AM   #45
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To think that the Emissions Rules have not helped the air quality is unbelievable.
What I said is that regulations in place before 1990 resulted in clean air.

Low sulfur diesel was to resolved PM2.5 issues which have yet to be proven as a problem.

It is interesting that someone with a 450 hp diesel would bring up ghg. Also another invented problem.

Florida has 4 nuclear plants which provide emission free power to about a million homes each.

Wind and solar is not free. The engineers who design them and the technicians operate and maintain like to get paid too.
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Old 06-30-2019, 08:16 AM   #46
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Wind and solar is not free. The engineers who design them and the technicians operate and maintain like to get paid too.
I think you are stretching the free point here. Free is meant as in the fuel to make the electric not the maintaining, building or designing the equipment that makes it. Even if some jackass says wind turbines cause cancer, and they do not, not one person has died from the pollution that wind turbine or solar panels emit. Step outside in FL on any day and you can bask in the sun and wind. Just to be clear here the sun is only out there from about 10 to 14 hours a day depending on the time of year but that wind it is there almost 24 / 7.

My guess is the folks that designed the Nuclear Plants got paid as well. Wind and Sunlight happen everyday all around the world for free. Nuclear Pellets are made from U-235 that is converted several times into the powder that forms the pellets. Now I'm sure this is done very cheaply in someones back yard. Oh yes then there is the problem as to what is done with the pellets after they spend about five years in a Reactor. You know they can kill people, a lot of people. So I'll quote directly from the NEI page:

"A single fuel assembly spends about five years in a reactor on average, powering the system that generates electricity.

Typically, every 18 to 24 months, a nuclear plant stops generating electricity to replace a third of its fuel assemblies. The removed assemblies are placed in a spent fuel pool where they cool over time.

The radioactive byproducts remain contained in the used fuel assemblies.
After the used fuel assemblies have cooled to the point that they no longer need to be stored underwater, they are removed from the pools and safely stored at the plant in large containers made of steel-reinforced concrete.

Every nuclear plant stores used fuel as the industry awaits the completion of either a consolidated interim storage site or permanent disposal repository by the federal government.

Taxpayers are assessed $800 million annually ($2.2 million per day) because of the federal government’s failure to meet its obligation to dispose of used fuel that currently resides at nuclear plants across the country. The United States must establish a sustainable national program—supported by dedicated funding—to permanently dispose of this fuel. "

So free is a fairly realistic term and if anyone reading this wants to really get your pants on fire you might just trot over to the NEI web page.

https://www.nei.org/advocacy/make-re...d-nuclear-fuel

They throw numbers around like $37 B yes that a B and we as consumers of electricity have contributed $40 B to waste management of the by product yet it isn't being managed yet. Just stored at each Nuclear plant in concrete. Yucca Mountain is the place they want to store it about 100 miles NW of Las Vegas NV which is good for folks that don't live near the Nevada-California border.

I was big on Nuclear but I really think Wind and Sunlight are our best answers right now.
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I expect people to quote only those statistics that support their cause, whatever it may be. What irks me is the people who swallow the sound bite or headline and run off in a tizzy, either too lazy or too dumb to try to understand what it means or if it even applies to the situation. And then they re-post everywhere with an OMG!, blathering fake news or at least badly distorted news.
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Diesel going up 100%?

I predict that if $3/gallon went to $6, I’d still go the normal annual distance.
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Old 06-30-2019, 07:20 PM   #49
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I predict that if $3/gallon went to $6, I’d still go the normal annual distance.
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True, but it will still take your breath away when you fork out $600 to fill the 100gal truck aux tank. Yikes :(
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not one person has died from the pollution that wind turbine or solar panels emit.
Not one person has died from air pollution in the US in the last 50 years.

Not one person has even been hurt by radiation from a nuclear reactor designed to US standards.

About 300 die each year from carbon monoxide poisoning. The usual cause is faulty equipment leaking to an enclosed space. This is why I have redundant CO detectors in the MH.

It is a simple concept. If the problem has been fixed it does not need another fix.

Just so you know I was a nuclear trained officer in the US Navy. Worked at many nuke plants, at a fuel plant, and the Yucca Mt project. This topic is about diesel fuel which is of interest of to the RV community.
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Whenever I see "Analysts say" and especially from Reuters, that's all I need to NOT pay attention.
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Whenever I see "Analysts say" and especially from Reuters, that's all I need to NOT pay attention.
Same with "scientists say" or "most scientists agree". If the author doesn't know what kind of science is involved, they probably don't know what they are talking about. Specialists in biochemistry, astronomy, and computer science are all "scientists" but their areas of expertise don't have much in common.
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Not one person has died from air pollution in the US in the last 50 years...
That's quite a claim. Since 1969??

Seems like science would disagree with you.
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Coal miners might disagree about dying from air pollution. Some other industries as well. But dying solely from breathing the outside air? Probably not. Lot's of evidence that various forms of pollution have probably shortened a lifespan, though.
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Didn't we just have a 911 rescuer die (Luis Alvarel) from breathing the tower collapse air pollution. People die every day from lung problems that were caused from air pollution, even smoking is air pollution that kills people either first or second hand smoke.
Believing air pollution doesn't kill is just crazy thinking.
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Whenever I see "Analysts say" and especially from Reuters, that's all I need to NOT pay attention.

Does that apply when you hear, "Many people are saying..." as well?
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