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Old 04-11-2013, 04:06 PM   #1
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Lemon Buy Back on Title

Holy cow. I have an opportunity to buy a nice 2011 Winnebago MH from a reputable dealer who received the MH from the manufacturer that they (the manufacturer) took back from the owner under the California lemon law. The manufacturer could not detect an ongoing problem being reported as a creaking sidewall. The manufacturer replaced the sidewall on the class A MH and warrantees it. The title MUST be reworked to reflect that the MH is a "lemon buy back". The claim is there was never anything wrong with the coach. I have requested a complete history of warranty work performed.
Any other advice? Anyone have any experience in this? Would you be afraid of this? I am.. Not sure how I can re-sell this unit 5 years down the road with a title like that.
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If it sounds too good to be true it probably is. Proceed with caution. No specific experience but that sounds like a branded title to me and like any branding it's gotta burn some hair so to speak.
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Old 04-11-2013, 04:29 PM   #3
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Lemon law

IMHO it would depend on how good the deal was. It should be considerably under the book value due to the title issues

Even though it happens all the time, I don't think we should make a purchase thinking we are going to trade it in a few years. These things don't wear out the way most of us use them, so try to buy what you want and plan on keeping it.
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Holy cow. I have an opportunity to buy a nice 2011 Winnebago MH from a reputable dealer who received the MH from the manufacturer that they (the manufacturer) took back from the owner under the California lemon law. The manufacturer could not detect an ongoing problem being reported as a creaking sidewall. The manufacturer replaced the sidewall on the class A MH and warrantees it. The title MUST be reworked to reflect that the MH is a "lemon buy back". The claim is there was never anything wrong with the coach. I have requested a complete history of warranty work performed.
Any other advice? Anyone have any experience in this? Would you be afraid of this? I am.. Not sure how I can re-sell this unit 5 years down the road with a title like that.
I would worry about being able to insure it for a reasonable price. If you plan on keeping it and it meets your need than the worse case is you will lose a ton of money like the rest of us when you sell the coach. Maybe should wait until others here that may have done this gives you some advise. My advise is free and therefore it is worth what you paid for it. Good luck in your search...Happy trails.
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I'm surprised to hear that there's ANY State where a "lemon law" applies to Rv's, so
I looked it up. Here quoting a brief explanation from this link
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The California Lemon Law applies to Motorhomes/RVs. The California Lemon Law separates Motorhomes/RVs into two lemon law categories – “new motor vehicle” and “consumer good.“ The Motorhome/RV chassis/chassis cab (engine, drivetrain, suspension, steering system, etc.) is considered to be a “new motor vehicle” under the California Lemon Law. The livable portion of a Motorhome/RV is considered a consumer good under the California Lemon Law.
So there are two subset/provisions of the law, one for the living area and one for the vehicle itself. It sounds like this unit's problem falls under the former. So long as it's clearly stated somewhere that the buyback was related to the "consumer goods (living area)", specifically the walls creaking, I wouldn't hesitate to take advantage of a good deal provided it's well below the usual market price.

For me, it would be a different story if the flaws were in the engine/chassis/other goin' down the road components...
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I'm surprised to hear that there's ANY State where a "lemon law" applies to Rv's, so
I looked it up. Here quoting a brief explanation from this link

So there are two subset/provisions of the law, one for the living area and one for the vehicle itself. It sounds like this unit's problem falls under the former. So long as it's clearly stated somewhere that the buyback was related to the "consumer goods (living area)", specifically the walls creaking, I wouldn't hesitate to take advantage of a good deal provided it's well below the usual market price.

For me, it would be a different story if the flaws were in the engine/chassis/other goin' down the road components...
I agree this could be a good deal. However, I'm still looking at a $80K investment and my advantage is short lived if I have to sell this sooner than I planned to.. Who would by a MH with a title like this?
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I agree this could be a good deal. However, I'm still looking at a $80K investment and my advantage is short lived if I have to sell this sooner than I planned to.. Who would by a MH with a title like this?
So far Francesca and maybe you. not for me. The title doesn't have a rolling / house section to it - the whole thing will be branded. I still say proceed with caution. Do some research and soul searching. If it turned out "good go" an you were to own it for 10 years the resale becomes moot. Homework I tell ya. If Francesca could get kids to do it, you can do it if you're really interested.
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I agree this could be a good deal. However, I'm still looking at a $80K investment and my advantage is short lived if I have to sell this sooner than I planned to.. Who would by a MH with a title like this?
A 2011 Winnebago for $80,000.00?

What model is it, and do you have any sense of what the price would be for others without the same encumbrances?
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A 2011 Winnebago for $80,000.00?

What model is it, and do you have any sense of what the price would be for others without the same encumbrances?
Francesca, of course a Winnebago for $80,000.. What model isn't relevant to my assistance request. One factor in my decision would be knowing I got a really, really, good deal. At least 30-35 % off what I believe is a fair price under normal circumstances (clean title). That way, if I have to sell earlier than planned for whatever unlucky life reason, I have the wiggle room to accommodate the next buyer who would fairly have the same concern. That's an obvious line of thinking. Again, model and actual numbers are not relevant.
Not sure what other input I expect to get here but I always get something valuable and new whenever I post. So, I figured I'd give it a shot.
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I asked about model because there's a huge difference in price/value between, for example, a diesel and a gas Winnebago Journey. Kinda hard to give an opinion of whether it's a good risk without that info!

Best of luck to you...
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I think if you could snag it for 30-35% UNDER wholesale, that would be a great deal. And, down the road if you have to sell, someone else would think it was a great deal. It the price is close to wholesale, I'd run away.
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My question is if it was deemed a lemon it must have been something bad or the manufacturer would have fixed it and not take it back. Generally it's a safety issue not a cosmetic sidewall. For a financial opinion I would need to know what model and what it listed for new for instance if it listed for 300,000 possible good deal 125,000 probably not.
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IF you could get all the records of warrantee work done on the unit it could be a GREAT deal! For example, if records said sidewall creaked, and now it doesn't, or rear A/C wasn't wired properly, and now it is, you've gotten a discount price on a unit that has had the bugs worked out and is now in good shape. If you can't get the records, I'd walk away from it since it hasn't been documented or disclosed where the issues were that triggered the lemon law.
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Sounds like most of you have no idea what the lemon law process is and what it's like to go thru. My dad did it twice. He had alot more stamina for a fight than I ever would!

For you to get an RV returned under lemon law, essentially the dealer and manufacturer cannot or will not fix it. You drag them kicking and screaming thru the process until eventually, after alot of stress and anguish, you get relief. Essentially the purchase price back with no compensation for your trouble or distress.

Dad actually had a manufacturer's lawyer tell him he was stupid to expect that these units could be purchased and used for their intended purpose! I could go on and on about the pitfalls in the process that can get your claim dismissed and the tactics the lawyers use - primarily bold face lying.

I find it amazing that these things can be "fixed" and then resold. If they could fix it, why didn't they do it for the poor original buyer?? It certainly would be cheaper to do that then fix it and sell if for a loss. Assuming they actually did anything to it before putting it up for sale. These things should be crushed and sent to the landfill and barred from resale. These aren't cosmetic issues. It has to be major to get a lemon law return.

Don't willingly do this to yourself. There is no "good deal" to make it worth the risk. My advice is to run away from this thing. Certainly do not believe any assurances that it has been fixed, or that the issues were minor. BTW, you can assume that "lemon" on the title will effect the value of the unit similar to "salvage" on it would be.

Maybe if they just gave you the RV and a check for $100k, it might be worth your while to take it off their hands.
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