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Old 03-20-2015, 08:09 PM   #15
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I would like to be able to control mine as well, mine turns on as soon as I release my parking valve. (Air brakes) I have installed BMW projector headlights with "Angle Eye LED's" but they can,t be seen with DRLs on.
Any chance that you have a Freightliner chassis? If so what year?

I might be able to help you solve your issue.
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Old 03-20-2015, 08:13 PM   #16
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On our 2002 Dutch Star I simply pulled the relay marked DRL and the lights worked like normal after that. That even left the lights on when the wipers come on mode alone. Drove it for 10 years or so that way.
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Old 03-20-2015, 08:30 PM   #17
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Every vehicle I've owned, the DRL's will go off when the vehicle is placed in park.
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I doubt you will burn out the DRLs due to those situations. I have never given it a thought, nor would I trouble myself about them.
Why does it matter?
Just curious.
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Old 03-21-2015, 07:05 AM   #19
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Dave;

Burning out the DRLs is a non-issue, FYI - Ford uses the headlights as the DRLs, For those whos DRLs turn off automatically, this is also a non-issue.

You asked, Why does this matter to me? Please read on.

I first noticed this (my DRLs don't turn off) about an hour after I picked up our "New to Us" MH last year. We pulled into a rest stop, left the engine running and park brake set. As we're walking into the building my wife says, Why did you leave the headlights on. HUM???

I noticed it again a few weeks later when we pulled into an RV park after dark. I left the engine running while we spotted our parking spot, but the headlights were shining and seemed to be lighting up the entire park. I checked the headlights, Nope, they were off [mod edit].

The final straw was a few days after that. At 5:30 am, we were parked at an Indian Casino in Oklahoma. I started the engine to warm it up for travel, and my DRLs are shining right into the bedroom of the MH in front of us.

I started to do some checking around, and found this was a common issue and was greatly discussed on the Ford Enthusiest and a few instances on this site about people complaining they couldn't "turn off their DRLs".

There were several somewhat "permanent solutions" to the problem, i.e. remove the DRL resistor, remove the DRL relay, buy a DRL disable kit from Ford. I like the DRLs, I just don't want them on anytime the ignition switch is ON.

There were a couple other recommended solutions that I read about, including adding a relay across the parking brake switch and/or the transmission neutral safety switch.

I like those ideas, but decided, if I'm going to be adding relays and switches, I'm going to make it so I have control of the switch and it won't be done automatically.

As can be seen by the posts, This problem doesn't seem to effect many chassis, i.e. GM, Freightliners, and even many older and newer Ford chassis. Their DRLs turn off automatically, so they cannot relate to this problem.

Then there are also people that this doesn't seem to bother them if their DTLs are lighting up an entire campground at 2am. But I bet if you check with the people who are being illuminated by the DRLs, Their response would probably be something like;

"What the hells wrong with that $$#^#&#*, TURN YOUR FRICKING HEADLIGHTS OFF." - "Sorry, I would if I could, but they WON'T FRICKING TURN OFF."

Thats why I did this. Thank you for asking.
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So I didn't see that you mentioned it, do your DRL's go off when you apply the parking brake?
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Murf2U;

Nope, DRLs stay on, regardless of parking brake setting. Sucks...

Look at the header photo (center picture, towing a car) on my web site. We took that picture at the rest stop, thats when my wife asked me why I left the lights on.

When I looked at the Ford diagrams for 2001 F53 chassis, there is no connection or control from the parking brake.

From what I've seen at the Ford site, It appears that around 2006, Ford moved control of the DRLs to a body computer. In that year, the DRLs will turn off when the parking brake is set, AND, If an operators wishes, A Ford Dealer can actually go into the software and completely disable the DRLs. Evidently they do this for some body builders who install their own DRLs.
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I now understand!
Your travel style differs from mine. We never do any darkness; retired and spoiled.
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Dave; Sometimes we run and sometimes we lollygag. :-)
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Well Gang,
It appears that many of your vehicles differ in DRL and headlight operation than the one's we've owned. As RAY in In. Stated, every one of the vehicles we've ever owned that had DRLs, and the engine is started, the DRLs will not go into effect until the parking brake is released. And, that included our previous coach, a '99 Fleetwood Bounder 34V with the F-53 Chassis and V-10, and our present coach, an '04 Itasca Horizon, 36GD with the C-7 330HP CAT.

Now, what I can't remember is, if they shut off, AFTER the parking brake re-applied and, the engine is still running. I'll have to check on that. But, as has been stated, I too would like them to be off at certain times. I.e. when just like has been stated, leaving a campground at night or, in the wee hours of the morning and would not like to shine lights into coaches of folks still sleeping or, trying to sleep or, approaching a check-point or border crossing in the evening and, trying not to blind the officer as you approach, things like that. Maybe I'll work on that someday, after all the other projects are done.
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Nope, DRLs stay on, regardless of parking brake setting. Sucks...

Then maybe the down'n'dirty solution is a NC relay energized by the parking brake switch that just cuts power to the headlight circuit.

That way all wiring is under the dash and inherently weather-proof, etc., as well as close and easy.
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Dave; Sometimes we run and sometimes we lollygag. :-)
Did you consider putting your relay in series with the DRL resistor and then letting the parking brake control the relay?

My only concern with your circuit is that I would probably forget to turn the switch back on until someone flashed me



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Scott, This is the first vehicle I;ve ever owned that the DRLs stay on all the time. As you and others experience, Set the parking brake and the lights go off.

Ted, Dan. Yes connecting the relay to kill the DRLs with the parking brake is an option that many on the Ford site use. Some have decided to connect it through the Transmission switch so they only come on when the tranny is in "D".

I chose to run mine thru a switch on my instrument panel. That way I can turn them on and off when I want, not when the parking brake or transmission say its OK.

Who knows, there may come a time when I want the lights ON if I'm sitting with the paring brake on. :-)
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Just a coment:
My DRLs are at about 1/2 intensity compared to headlites on. Just kind of a glow.
Still too bright for O-Dark-30 departure? Not mine!
Just sayin......
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