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Old 07-22-2015, 09:14 PM   #15
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I wonder if the new Monacos have hung wall construction like the days of old, or if they are laminated sidewalls. I thought I read fleetwood was all laminated sidewalls. Not sure on the American line. Aside from th me Monaco roadmaster chassis, I know the hung wall construction was a little different then some of the others. I think newmar, entegra, country coach and couple others has hung wall construction.
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I wonder if the new Monacos have hung wall construction like the days of old, or if they are laminated sidewalls. I thought I read fleetwood was all laminated sidewalls. Not sure on the American line. Aside from th me Monaco roadmaster chassis, I know the hung wall construction was a little different then some of the others. I think newmar, entegra, country coach and couple others has hung wall construction.
I have always understood that the Monaco coaches always had laminated sidewalls.

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I have always understood that the Monaco coaches always had laminated sidewalls.

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Jim, I've heard the exact opposite. And on your semi monaquoque chassis, i don't think it's possible. From the videos I've seen on laminated sidewalls, the entire wall assembly lays on its side and very little metal is inside it. It is sandwiched together and then the entire wall is lifted on to the coach and attached to the floor and roof. Hung wall assembles the steel or aluminum frame first like a stick house, and then fiberglass and other assemblies are put together. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable then me will chime in. I always like the hung wall assembly more as it seems a lot more metal was inside the walls.
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Hi Halftimer,

I can tell you that ARG's service is second to none. I am having my coach serviced at their Coburg, OR service center and am very happy to see they are doing a great job with phone support, customer service and dealing with their customers owning new and old motorhomes.

Service is very important when considering what brand to buy. Having been on a tour of the Decatur factory I would say that the quality of all ARG brands should be equal and very good.
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Hi Halftimer,

I can tell you that ARG's service is second to none. I am having my coach serviced at their Coburg, OR service center and am very happy to see they are doing a great job with phone support, customer service and dealing with their customers owning new and old motorhomes.

Service is very important when considering what brand to buy. Having been on a tour of the Decatur factory I would say that the quality of all ARG brands should be equal and very good.
That has been my experience as well. They fix what needs fixing, whether you've told them about it or not...without charge.
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Jim, I've heard the exact opposite. And on your semi monaquoque chassis, i don't think it's possible. From the videos I've seen on laminated sidewalls, the entire wall assembly lays on its side and very little metal is inside it. It is sandwiched together and then the entire wall is lifted on to the coach and attached to the floor and roof. Hung wall assembles the steel or aluminum frame first like a stick house, and then fiberglass and other assemblies are put together. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable then me will chime in. I always like the hung wall assembly more as it seems a lot more metal was inside the walls.

Monaco has used a laminated, vac bonded wall at least since 2000 and I think much longer. Their version uses full framing inside the wall. I've seen the process but it's been a number of years and my birthday poisoning prevents any detail recall. I have the semi monocoque chassis and on a morning with heavy dew, you can see the steel structure. Lots of steel.

Look at a Monaco brochure and it calls out "laminated sidewalls" in the body construction area.


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Monaco has used a laminated, vac bonded wall at least since 2000 and I think much longer. Their version uses full framing inside the wall. I've seen the process but it's been a number of years and my birthday poisoning prevents any detail recall. I have the semi monocoque chassis and on a morning with heavy dew, you can see the steel structure. Lots of steel.

Look at a Monaco brochure and it calls out "laminated sidewalls" in the body construction area.


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Thanks Steve for the clarification. Than I'm totally confused. I thought laminated sidewalls were when they sandwich everything together and press/vacuum seal the assembly. I've see the process done that way. How do they laminate the wall assembly if the frame is already up? What is hung wall construction then?


Jim, sorry but it looks like you were correct.
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I don't get the distinction either. A laminated wall is simply one that has the skin materials vacuum-bonded in a sandwich. You can laminate just the skin and then hang the skin on the frame, or you can laminate the skin to the frame ahead of time and install the frame & skin as one piece. Roof structure & skin can be done the same way. The amount of metal in the structure has nothing to do with it, nor is one method inherently better quality than another.

If you watch a stick house being built these days, it is not unusual for walls to be pre-assembled on the job site and then erected as a single piece. Sometimes just the wall frame, and sometimes the frame & sheathing together. It's the same sort of thing in RVs.

Newmar does the skin on a frame type of assembly. Their video shows how they do that.
https://youtu.be/p6909x7ZmUQ
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I don't get the distinction either. A laminated wall is simply one that has the skin materials vacuum-bonded in a sandwich. You can laminate just the skin and then hang the skin on the frame, or you can laminate the skin to the frame ahead of time and install the frame & skin as one piece. Roof structure & skin can be done the same way. The amount of metal in the structure has nothing to do with it, nor is one method inherently better quality than another.

If you watch a stick house being built these days, it is not unusual for walls to be pre-assembled on the job site and then erected as a single piece. Sometimes just the wall frame, and sometimes the frame & sheathing together. It's the same sort of thing in RVs.

Newmar does the skin on a frame type of assembly. Their video shows how they do that.
https://youtu.be/p6909x7ZmUQ

I think Gary is correct. I'm not sure that either method is better for the end user just different construction techniques.


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Thanks Steve for the clarification. Than I'm totally confused. I thought laminated sidewalls were when they sandwich everything together and press/vacuum seal the assembly. I've see the process done that way. How do they laminate the wall assembly if the frame is already up? What is hung wall construction then?


Jim, sorry but it looks like you were correct.

You're right about the assembly. I think the diagram that's in some of the brochures is confusing. Those, particularly showing the semi monocoque chassis is to show how the load is distributed. If you notice, they don't show slide box openings either. The exact placement of framing in the laminated wall will vary widely depending on the slide configuration. Those diagrams are just a broad generalization.


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