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Old 07-19-2015, 11:20 AM   #1
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Monaco quality w/ARG?

Do you think the quality of a Monaco is as good as a eagle? If so what models. If it has a Cummins is it on a Spartan chassis the Monaco seem to come in 37-38 Ft instead of 40 is there a reason for that thanks
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do you think the quality of a Monaco is as good as a eagle? If so what models. If it has a Cummins is it on a Spartan chassis the Monaco seem to come in 37-38 Ft instead of 40 is there a reason for that thanks

The Monaco/Holiday Rambler coaches are built by the same production techs and on the same line as the American Coaches. Freightliner front and rear clips are used for all these diesel coaches. The front and rear clips are joined at the Decatur plant using a bridge type frame. There may be some model specific differences in the chassis.

Look at the Monaco Dynasty and the Holiday Rambler Navigator as equals to the American Eagle. Both are available in 45' coaches with Cummins ISX15 power.


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It seems that HR has greatly scaled back their production. The newest Navigator I could find on bing, was a 2005. On their web site, the only offerings are Admiral, Ambassador and Vacationer...mostly Ford gassers.
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It seems that HR has greatly scaled back their production. The newest Navigator I could find on bing, was a 2005. On their web site, the only offerings are Admiral, Ambassador and Vacationer...mostly Ford gassers.

They are building the Navigator again. I walked through the first one out of production back the first of May. It's very similar to the Dynasty. The one I walked through was 45' and Cummins ISX15 power. They should be building the Endeavor soon also. They were discussing building an Imperial also.


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They are building the Navigator again. I walked through the first one out of production back the first of May. It's very similar to the Dynasty. The one I walked through was 45' and Cummins ISX15 power. They should be building the Endeavor soon also. They were discussing building an Imperial also.


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There will be 2 new Navigators at the HR pre rally coming up right away. I assume they will also be at the FMCA rally in Madison, WI immediately after. They have decided to build the Windsor again.


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It seems that HR has greatly scaled back their production. The newest Navigator I could find on bing, was a 2005. On their web site, the only offerings are Admiral, Ambassador and Vacationer...mostly Ford gassers.

All Monaco/HR production halted when the business was sold to ASV. The spent most of the first year designing their first couple of coaches. They have been adding one model at a time ever since.


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Sounds as if HR is making a come back...good.
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I think the correct statement is.....Fleetwood is selling a Fleetwood product with an HR and Monaco logo. There is NOTHING in the motor home that has anything to do with Monaco, except the badging.
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I think the correct statement is.....Fleetwood is selling a Fleetwood product with an HR and Monaco logo. There is NOTHING in the motor home that has anything to do with Monaco, except the badging.

Don,

I have never made a disparaging remark about a Newmar product, I would appreciate you doing the same. The senior management and much of the engineering and design team as well as many tech on the assembly line are from the old Monaco. The old Roadmaster chassis line is gone and I lament that but the current coaches they are building are no more Fleetwood than they are an American Eagle. Do you consider an Eagle to be a rebadged Bounder.

If you have nothing to say but BS comments like this then the Monaco community is well rid of you.

I shall response to no more of your posts.

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Monaco quality w/ARG?

From an interview with the President of Monaco;

"That would have been the easiest thing to do, to slap a Monaco emblem on an American Coach,";he said. "And you're not alone in thinking it, because that's a question raised by a lot of our owners as well. But I'm here to tell you, this coach is uniquely Monaco. We went back to that traditional Monaco design that helped take our company to the highest point it's ever been. It's very different from the other ASV products, down to the engine, a lot of materials, the layout ... almost everything."

Snell said that his decision to come on board at ASV was made easier by the company's willingness to retain the unique qualities of Monaco and Holiday Rambler products. The first big step was to rehire a core team of Monaco engineers and designers to work in a separate engineering facility. ASV also moved the well-regarded Monaco woodshop from Wakarusa, Indiana, to Decatur, retaining it as a dedicated Monaco brand materials provider for cabinetry.

"We got to go back to the drawing board and essentially create a Monaco coach in whatever way we thought was best,"Snell said.
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Steve.....I don't know what got your panties in a bunch, but I loved my Monaco coach and I think the Roadmaster chassis was great, but needed freshening up. There are a couple of guys making panhard bars for the old chassis that make it perform like a more modern chassis.

If Monaco had still been around when I bought my new coach, I would have bought another Monaco. As a matter of fact I looked long and hard for an 09 Dynasty Bishop IV, before I bought the Dutch Star, but could not find one.

Yes, I read ASV's pledge to bring the Monaco back, but it's a lot of marketing to try and capture old Monaco owners who were loyal and love/loved their coaches like I did. I doubt they would have made a statement that they bought Monaco and would make them like American Eagles. We just got back from Oregon and there are still more Monaco's on the road than any other coach. Once Monaco got bought out by Navistar and started installing the Navistar engines, the downfall started. Then ASV through away the Roadmaster chassis which was really the end.

Lastly, after a response like you just wrote, who cares if you ever respond or read any of my posts!
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We attended the Monaco International Rally in Pahrump back in March of this year. They had a brand new Diplomat and a couple of the New Dynasty's there. If we we're in the market again today I would sure give the Monaco's a serious look. Along with the American Coach lines as well as other manufactures.


Did not see anything that would have turned us away from the new Monacos
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When we looked for a new coach in 2013/2014, we really liked the Revolution we saw at an RV show, but wanted to stay at or under 40'. They said they had a 38' coming out, but were having some issues getting everything to work out in the shorter chassis. Monaco was in limbo at that time, so they weren't even offering a coach or plans of what might be available in the future. I think Fleetwood and the parent company make great coaches, especially the American line. They're quality is not what my statement was about, but was poorly misinterpreted by another.
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I'm confident that ARG wants to make Monaco it's own brand and not just a copy of a Fleetwood or American Coach model. Copycat designs don't help either brand. But let's be realistic: they are building coaches in the same factory, using essentially the same chassis models, and building them with the same workers. There are going to be a lot of similarities, and ARG isn't going to unnecessarily duplicate things that don't need to be different. When Mike Snell talks about having his own chassis, he's talking about ordering a chassis configuration from Freightliner that is maybe slightly different than the one ordered by American Coach or Fleetwood brands. They aren't building their own "bridge" (center rail section), and they aren't using a different design. Their own cabinetry shop? Sure, but once the cabinets are designed for a floor plan, any cabinet shop can build to the blueprint. No magic there. Unique Monaco floor plans and interiors? They are now, and I surely hope they continue to be. I hope ARG resists the inevitable pressure to cost reduce by making more things alike than are different.
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