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Old 08-10-2006, 02:29 PM   #15
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Here we go again! Don't mean to lump something else on here as new questions just seem to inflame our nerves.

A vehicle titling question! My title (or memorandum copy) lists the coach as a 2006. BUT, the VIN number as detailed by the Ford VIN number decoder for truck chassis (thanks to Jim Martin PA for the link) AND printed on the title unequivocally brand the unit as a 2004!

Can anyone, especially as far Ohio RV registrations go, tell any of the following:

1) Is this a fraudulent title? Or is it common practice to title an RV with the obvious discrepancy between the VIN and title date of vehicle? If this isn't fraudulent, why don't they use the Coach Number as listed by the manufacturer instead of the chassis VIN?

2) If the title is fraudulent, who is legally responsible for it, us, the dealer, or the coachbuilder? Remember the coach was brand new? and the dealer titled it.

3) If the title is OK, what kind of hit will I take at the time of trade-in? Even more important considering the difference in chassis date also represents the lack of the '06 30V Ford V-10 and the presence of the old '04 20V Ford V-10? Not to mention the transmission, aging tires, or any other differences there may be. And we obviously received no discount or disclosure up front for the fact.

I feel ridiculous and humbled by the thought that this is all homework that should have been done before purchase. But without ever having owned a MH or even any experience with a heavy truck, who could have known, or even dreamt, about any of these issues. Do they sell a "MH for Dummies"?

Once again, thanks to all for the input!
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Old 08-10-2006, 03:01 PM   #16
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Hoochman,
Every new motor vehicle comes with a Certificate Of Origin (COO). This (along with other paperwork) is submitted to the State Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). The COO is the "bible" a state uses to issue a title and registration. To the best of my knowledge, the COO is used in all 50 states and the process is the same. I do not know if the State keeps the COO or destroys it since once a title is issued, the COO has no purpose.

If you purchased the RV in the same state it will be titled in, the dealership, most likely, handled the process with the DMV.

If you purchased the RV in another State than it will be titled in, the dealership must provide you the COO. The State issuing the original title will require it and other documentation (like Bill Of Sale, Odometer Verification, check for sales tax, etc.)

Your prevoius post mentions the copy of the title you have says the coach is an 06. Since the title is issued by the State and based on the COO, end of story. You have an 06 coach, legally and morally.

I buy vehicles from another state quite a bit and have been through this before. Loose no sleep and once the transmission is repaired, enjoy many miles of RVing in your 06 coach.

Misery does not always love company, but after you have the coach for one year, I'll compare my list of failures, in my signature coach, with your list.
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Old 08-10-2006, 03:28 PM   #17
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GaryKD:
Hoochman,
Every new motor vehicle comes with a Certificate Of Origin (COO). This (along with other paperwork) is submitted to the State Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). The COO is the "bible" a state uses to issue a title and registration. To the best of my knowledge, the COO is used in all 50 states and the process is the same. I do not know if the State keeps the COO or destroys it since once a title is issued, the COO has no purpose.

If you purchased the RV in the same state it will be titled in, the dealership, most likely, handled the process with the DMV.

If you purchased the RV in another State than it will be titled in, the dealership must provide you the COO. The State issuing the original title will require it and other documentation (like Bill Of Sale, Odometer Verification, check for sales tax, etc.)

Your prevoius post mentions the copy of the title you have says the coach is an 06. Since the title is issued by the State and based on the COO, end of story. You have an 06 coach, legally and morally.

I buy vehicles from another state quite a bit and have been through this before. Loose no sleep and once the transmission is repaired, enjoy many miles of RVing in your 06 coach.

Misery does not always love company, but after you have the coach for one year, I'll compare my list of failures, in my signature coach, with your list. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hoochman

Gary hit it right on the money.

We purchased our new toy from a dealer in Maryland.

Since we live in Pennsylvania we had to present our bill of sale, COO, proof on mileage and of course a 6% sales tax check to the PA Department of Revenue along with all the other fees,in order to get it licensed in PA. Then when we received the title I had to get a PA inspection sticker.

I tried to find the post response I received while we were doing our due diligence last year that suggested we add the '06 chassis, engine and drive train together with '06 chassis. Unfortunately, I haven't found it.

As I recall the writer suggested that it is a common practice for coach builders to put new coaches on year or two old non-titled chassis. I guess the operative wording is non-titled meaning new.

Best of luck and enjoy your new toy.


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I agree with you, when is enough enough?!! We purchased our rv the end of Nov. and we still can't use it. We've had to cancel 2 reservations with cancellation fees and we have an oil leak somewhere. We are calling our attorney tomorrow since WRV won't return our phone calls now.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">A vehicle titling question! My title (or memorandum copy) lists the coach as a 2006. BUT, the VIN number as detailed by the Ford VIN number decoder for truck chassis (thanks to Jim Martin PA for the link) AND printed on the title unequivocally brand the unit as a 2004! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


An empty chassis is called an "incomplete motor vehicle" an dis noit titled. After the RV manufacturer adds the coach body, it becomes a "complete vehicle" and the RV manufacturer issues the original Certificate of Origin [COO] that forms the basis for the title. The year of the vehicle is whatever the manufacturer puts on the COO and it pertains to the vehicle as a whole. The COO supercedes the chassis VIN as far as "year" is concerned. It's possible to receive a COO that specifies a year either earlier or later than that of the chassis component & VIN. That's not fraudulent as long as the chassis incorporated in the vehicle is new. The bottom line is that the official year of the vehicle is whatever the RV manufacturer says it is.

You may, however, have difficulties with insurance as a result of this anomaly. Insurers use the VIN information to set their rates and coverages and often are reluctant to accept the title year over the VIN year info.
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