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Old 07-18-2007, 08:27 AM   #15
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have a 2003 Endeavor and have been told that I need a surge guard. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've been RVing for a couple decades and have never "needed" one and never been told that I did.

I take it your house is hooked into the AC power grid as well as your RV. Do you have a surge quard on your incoming power line at home? Have you ever been told you "need" one? Nope, me either.

By the way Consumers Reports says that a power surge from an electrical storm travels much, much to fast for a surge protector to shut down in time. Even a fuseable link wouldn't protect you because in their testing a surge was so fast that the damaging electricity was past before the link melted.

IMO if you've got the money lying around, it probably won't hurt. But you obviously don't "need" one.
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I also have the Progressive Industries EMS / Surge protector. Last month I pulled into a site and it kept cutting off due to the power dropping off. It was real inconvent to have to move to another site, but a lot less than having to replace things like A/C, refers, heaters, microwaves, TVs, and the list goes on. It has saved me several times due to low power. It seem that the older campgrounds are not properly wired for the new rigs with their power demands.

Like the saying goes "You can pay the man now or pay him later". I bet that now is easier and cheaper.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I take it your house is hooked into the AC power grid as well as your RV. Do you have a surge quard on your incoming power line at home? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is true, but you do have either fuses or breakers that provide some assistance in the home...but I do have surge protection on all my electronics and computers...Thus...I have the 50 amp portable Surge Guard on my MH and it has in several campgrounds shut things down..and in one one not let things even start...until I moved to another site...Wouldn't hook up without it...
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Adventurer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have a 2003 Endeavor and have been told that I need a surge guard. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've been RVing for a couple decades and have never "needed" one and never been told that I did.

I take it your house is hooked into the AC power grid as well as your RV. Do you have a surge quard on your incoming power line at home? Have you ever been told you "need" one? Nope, me either.

By the way Consumers Reports says that a power surge from an electrical storm travels much, much to fast for a surge protector to shut down in time. Even a fuseable link wouldn't protect you because in their testing a surge was so fast that the damaging electricity was past before the link melted.

IMO if you've got the money lying around, it probably won't hurt. But you obviously don't "need" one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your house stays plugged in to the same powerline all the time while your RV is at the mercy of what any number of perils found at a campground including the guy who was so tired that he switched the neutral with the hot when replacing the recepticle at the site you just pulled into.

Last summer many people lost AC compressors and other equipment durring the heatwave that hit the east coast causing rolling brownouts. Most chalked it up to the heat and faulty equipemnt not realising that the voltage had dropped below 100 where they were.

Here in Florida they do put lightening clamps and surge protectors on homes. While they won't save you from a direct hit they will eliminate a whole lot of grief.

Many of us paid more for our RV's than we did for our homes the cost of a SurgeGuard even if it protects you from just one event is money well spent.

I would also like to find a one or two hundred amp AutoFormer for the home to match the one in the RV.
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I have had a surge protector for a couple years now since loosing a transfer switch control board its hard wired with both CG and gen thru it protecting my load center in coach.
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Adventurer,

When I first started RV'ing my electronics consisted of 6 12 volt light bulbs, 1 120 volt light bulb and a small Dometic fridge. No A/C, TV, etc.. Didn't have a surge protector either. Surge Guard is a brand name for a surge suppressor / monitoring system manufactured by TRC.

What you are paying for is more a 24/7 monitoring system than a surge suppressor. Low voltage and more infrequently high voltage cause a lot more problems than surges do. Less than 104 VAC or greater than 132 VAC and the power is interrupted to the coach. Also checked are potential problems, such as: open ground or neutral, high or low frequency, reversed polarity. I have seen a 50 AMP coach (without a power monitor / surge suppressor) connected to a line that lost the neutral during a storm. Extensive damage-- several thousand $-- great inconvience to travel plans and down time during the repair cycle. Also a PITA to get reimbursed by the power company. Both Progressive and TRC units perform the same function.

Thunder storms are not my primary concern. If they were, I would just unplug and wait until they passed by. But as the value of my electronics has increased, so has my desire to protect them. Yes, I do have surge protectors on my electronics at the house.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NeilV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Adventurer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have a 2003 Endeavor and have been told that I need a surge guard. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've been RVing for a couple decades and have never "needed" one and never been told that I did.

I take it your house is hooked into the AC power grid as well as your RV. Do you have a surge quard on your incoming power line at home? Have you ever been told you "need" one? Nope, me either.

By the way Consumers Reports says that a power surge from an electrical storm travels much, much to fast for a surge protector to shut down in time. Even a fuseable link wouldn't protect you because in their testing a surge was so fast that the damaging electricity was past before the link melted.

IMO if you've got the money lying around, it probably won't hurt. But you obviously don't "need" one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your house stays plugged in to the same powerline all the time while your RV is at the mercy of any number of perils found at a campground including the guy who was so tired that he switched the neutral with the hot when replacing the recepticle at the site you just pulled into.

Last summer many people lost AC compressors and other equipment durring the heatwave that hit the east coast causing rolling brownouts. Most chalked it up to the heat and faulty equipemnt not realising that the voltage had dropped below 100 where they were.

Here in Florida they do put lightening clamps and surge protectors on homes. While they won't save you from a direct hit they will eliminate a whole lot of grief.

Many of us paid more for our RV's than we did for our homes the cost of a SurgeGuard even if it protects you from just one event is money well spent.

I would also like to find a one or two hundred amp AutoFormer for the home to match the one in the RV. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Case in point.

Just after a severe thunder storm this afternoon, I happened to notice my inverter was charging the house batteries with an absorption charge.

It shouldn't be more than a float charge, as I've been on shore power for 2 weeks here in Custer SD.

Checked the display on my Progressive EMS, and it is displaying "PE2".

Previous error 2 indicates a previous open ground.

The EMS disconnected me from shore power, and I ran on batteries/inverter until the ground was detected. Back to normal now.

However, an open ground sounds highly unusual. I'm at a loss as to how the ground was lost.
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Dirk, it could have been someone working on the circuit you are on; possibly doing repairs. THe other could be a loose connection any where in that circuit including the recepatcle you are plugged into.
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I have the Progressive hard wired surge suppressor. Two times during heavy thunderstorms it has disconnected us from shore power and both times gave the same PE2 code as you got. Both times MH's around us were experiencing very bright lights and very dim lights in their MH's during the storms.

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Don, I like your sig.

Not too much unlike one of my habits.

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Bought one when we had a 30A gas coach. Bought a 50A Surge Guard when we traded to a diesel. I have both so we hook up to either depending on campground.
Have had each one drop us off line when voltage was too low. That usually happens during heavy a/c usage.
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JohD,
I am pretty sure the 50 amp will also work on 30 amp service. I use mine on 30 when that is all that is available.
You might be able to lighten your load and help a friend out.
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E Z Livin - I like your sign off.

Newbie here folks. Looking for edumacation!

I bought the autoformer (30a) online this week. ($327)

Questions:
1. What is the difference? (surge/autoformer)
2. Do you need a surge and?
3. Thoughts?
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