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Old 07-07-2012, 03:52 PM   #29
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I don't know where I ever said they need to make a new law. My original post was showing how some jerks carelessly set off fireworks (while the city made it illegal) and burned a families motorhome to the ground.
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You guys crack me up!
Living in AZ it is bone dry. When u make something illegal (like fireworks) you can hold these jackasses accountable for there stupid ILLEGAL actions. It is a safety issue.
You can still hold them accountable for any injuries they cause, fires they start. A person is still liable for what they do regardless of what they do it with. Guns are legal but there is a difference in assualt and assualt with a deadly weapon. Either way you are still responsible.

The simple act of setting off a firecracker should not be illegal. However, if you harm someone with it then you are liable for their injuries.

Setting off fireworks, starting a trash fire, singing cumbaya around a bon fire during a fire ban are not only stupid but are all breaking the law IF the law states it is illegal to do so during a fire ban. Far different than saying fireworks are illegal.
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Old 07-07-2012, 04:03 PM   #31
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Ok so Tucson has made the use of fireworks illegal for the current drought. (which to me sounds funny being in the desert) so maybe my post should have ready the illegal use of fireworks.....I don't know I don't see how this post has turned into a dang court case. The fact of the matter is that people were setting off fireworks during a "ban" and caught a motorhome on fire. I posted this because I felt for the owners who lost there motorhome because of some jackass.
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In todays news...

We have been worried about dry conditions and while July 4 gave us some rain, there is still dry vegetation around the state that can quickly catch fire from sparks from consumer fireworks.

That is why there is still a ban on fireworks.

Fireworks weren't hard to find on Independence Day, even among the crowds who gathered for the big show below 'A' mountain.

"It's something as a kid I enjoyed watching all the fireworks, so I want my kids to enjoy the same kinds of things," Josh Smith said.

Even with a ban on setting off consumer fireworks in the city, Smith says he didn't have any trouble from Tucson police in the lot on Congress west of Interstate-10. Rain soaked the ground just hours earlier.

"Nobody said anything to us we're trying to stay close to the water so we have a way to put 'em out," he said.

"We gotta be careful to draw conclusions just because it has rained. We're still under a very dried out and drought conditions," Pima County Sheriff Deputy Tom Peine said.

Peine says his department has given six citations in the past week. Three were juveniles.

"You promise to appear in court, and therefore you are not taken into custody. But it's still an arrest," Peine said.

He can't say whether those were given before or after July 4 rains, but knows deputies have the authority to cite at any time.

"As long as the ban is in effect, the prohibition is in effect, so, it would be up to the county to lift this particular ban," Peine said.

Tucson Police weren't available for comment today so we have yet to know if they have given any fireworks citations and whether anyone was cited on the 4th even after the rain.

Fireworks in Pima County are a class 3 misdemeanor that can carry 30 days in jail.
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People who quote the person right above them should be made illegal.
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Couldn't agree more!
Agreeing should be made illegal!!
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Interesting viewpoints here.

It seems there is a strong contingency which believes that we should not have regulations against such things as fireworks; that reductions is DUI related deaths is due to peer pressure and not because the laws in place result in a DUI often costing well over $10,000 plus time behind bars; that "prohibition laws" never work; and that what's needed is public education and "everyone being held 100% accountable for their actions".

While I can understand this point of view, I have a question.

Without laws, who is to determine to what extent of "accountability" one has for their own actions? Is it only after the fact, and when there are eye witnesses that the yahoo who set off the fireworks that burned down the RV would get in to any type of trouble? And even then, is it up to the owner of the RV to hire a lawyer to pursue damages in civil court since no laws were broken? Would LEOs have to sit on their hands watching guys fire off sky rockets in to a dry forest until a fire actually started and then have to prove which of the yahoos' fired off the rocket that started the fire?

I'm all for fewer laws and regulations where they bring nothing to the table and add unnecessary government infrastructure, but I must be missing something in how this all would work.

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You guys crack me up!
Living in AZ it is bone dry. When u make something illegal (like fireworks) you can hold these jackasses accountable for there stupid ILLEGAL actions. It is a safety issue.

Actually there are already CIVIL laws in place when you engage in action that endangers me, I just might ask a judge to make you pay for acting stupid, Depnding on just how big the danger is.

And in the case I posted.. Well, I'd say he will spend the rest of his life paying.

But as someone else pointed out a 300 percent increase in injuries now that this class of explosive is legal.

Yes there will always be those who say "The law is for others" but there are also many who respect the law. Last year Stubs still had all his fingers on July 5, 6, 7, up to July 3 this year.
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Education (Of the proper kind) and holding people 100% responsible for their actions is what is needed.
What IS the "proper kind"?
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Thanks to some idiots setting off illegal fireworks this RV owner in Tucson is without his motorhome anymore. The rv was parked in a storage lot and people set off fireworks just to the south of the storage lot.
TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) - Tucson Fire investigators say fireworks sparked a blaze in midtown early Friday morning. Crews responded to the scene near Speedway and Alvernon just after midnight.
Firefighters say flames had engulfed an RV in an apartment parking lot. The fire was threatening a storage building in the 3600 Block of E. 2nd. Crews immediately extinguished the flames threatening the building and proceeded to extinguish the RV as well.
The thermal imaging camera was used to confirm that fire had not entered into the interior of the building and that the damage was to the exterior only.
Witnesses on scene advised fire investigators that they could hear and see fireworks being used in a vacant lot south of the RV prior to the fire. The RV was considered a total loss due to the heavy fire damage it sustained.
Nine units and twenty-two firefighters were dispatched to the scene and the fire was under control eight minutes after the first unit arrived. There were no injuries to firefighters.
Investigators say the fire started due to fireworks igniting combustible material on the top of the RV. Damage is estimated at $10,000.
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In our small town, citizens are allowed to set off their fireworks the evening of the Fourth in our park. Sadly the morning of July 5th left our park in disaray. City ordinances won't allow RV's in our park because they are afraid they will leave trash but our park looked like a war zone after "citizens" used it for fireworks.
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