Go Back   iRV2 Forums > MOTORHOME FORUMS > MH-General Discussions & Problems
Click Here to Login
Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on iRV2
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-22-2015, 12:15 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
Raining Star's Avatar
 
Winnebago Owners Club
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Arizona
Posts: 736
Why are DP's more expensive?

I'm not asking if they are worth the extra cost, but trying to learn what factors make them so much more expensive. Is there massively more steel, aluminum, etcetera in a DP engine and frame or what?

While I don't know, I can't imagine the manufacturing process is significantly different than building a gasser.
__________________

__________________
Joseph and Sandy
Arizona Sunbirds

(Snowbirds in Reverse)
Winnebago Chieftain / Ford Hybrid Toad
Raining Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 04-22-2015, 12:18 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Spk64's Avatar


 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Floyds Knobs, In.
Posts: 1,761
Yes. Bigger everything front to back.
When looking at fluid levels it's gallons not quarts.
__________________

__________________
Steve
2002 Newmar Mountain Aire 4095
Spk64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 12:19 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Mr_D's Avatar
 
Solo Rvers Club
iRV2 No Limits Club
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 28,382
Look up the prices on a diesel engine and an Allison 3000 or 4000 transmission and you'll get part of the answer!
We just had our Cummins ISX partly rebuilt and the cost was $31,000+.
__________________
2009 45' Magna 630 w/Cummins ISX 650 HP/1950 Lbs Ft
Charter Good Sam Lifetime Member, FMCA, SKP
RV'ing since 1957, NRA Benefactor Life, towing '14 CR-V
Mr_D is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 12:54 PM   #4
Senior Member - DIYer
 
Waiter21's Avatar


 
Ford Super Duty Owner
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: NW Ohio
Posts: 3,359
Yes, all the above - To add onto that, the builders start with a higher quality (and cost ) chassis, and I believe the quality of building the coach itself is better, with more fru-fru, as these higher costs can only be passed onto a certain demographic of customer base.

I define the fru-fru as being "systems intense". There are a lot more "systems" to make the coach as close to living at home as possible.

I use the "All Electric" coach as an example, there are a lot of on-board systems required to satisfy the electrical needs.

Generally, if you want top quality and are willing to pay for it. DP is probably the way to go.
__________________
1999 Fleetwood Southwind 35S (Ford F53 6.8L V10) - Toad 2003 Saturn Vue.
(www.1999Southwind.com)

It won't do MACH 2, but I can get a sandwich and take a pee.
Waiter21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 12:57 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
Monaco Owners Club
Holiday Rambler Owners Club
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: michigan-tip of the mitt
Posts: 1,382
More and bigger wheels,tires,brakes,cooling and then you can get a coach that can carry and tow more. Well worth it in MHO.
__________________
HR 29 fks TT, 1 slide, Chevy Silverado
Next stop?
t55watson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 01:02 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
Raining Star's Avatar
 
Winnebago Owners Club
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Arizona
Posts: 736
Well DW has her heart on a new (or newer) MH in the next couple of years. Sure I'd like all advantages a DP offers but I also like to know what I'm getting for my money.

Thankfully DW and I put a low premium on "fru fru" but a high premium on performance and reliability. The question came to mind after reading the article on the new Winnebago entry level DP.
__________________
Joseph and Sandy
Arizona Sunbirds

(Snowbirds in Reverse)
Winnebago Chieftain / Ford Hybrid Toad
Raining Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 01:03 PM   #7
Senior Member


 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,272
This shows a little about how a DP chassis is so much stronger and more powerful, and with more features than the typical gas powered chassis.

http://spartanchassis.com/rv/downloa...V_brochure.pdf
__________________
pasdad1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 02:07 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Tha_Rooster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Georgia
Posts: 4,507
Not to be a wise guy but a Kia and MB,BMW are all cars. Not knocking KIA just a example.
__________________
2007 Fleetwood Revolution LE 40V
Tha_Rooster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 02:14 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
MisterT's Avatar


 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: western NC mountains!
Posts: 2,727
mostly the engine(much longer life cycle, power) and
transmission(torque), which also typically more towing capabilities- also including air system/brakes/leveling -
they also typically set up at a lower height- less steps needed

I would look also at the Thor Palazzo and
the ForestRiver Legacy for similar DP options
__________________
The Turners 2014 Thor Palazzo DP 33.3 35'

'14 FordFocus, KingTailgater2 DishHD, 200w/10a mobile SOLAR, 75,000+ miles
all continental US states, Alaska, and yes, most of Canada!
MisterT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 03:06 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
Raining Star's Avatar
 
Winnebago Owners Club
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Arizona
Posts: 736
Why are DP's more expensive?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha_Rooster View Post
Not to be a wise guy but a Kia and MB,BMW are all cars. Not knocking KIA just a example.

But I know the reason for the price difference in the types of cars. I doubt national labor cost differences is a big factor between a Gasser and a DP.

A DP and a Gasser aren't the same as comparing a BMW and a KIA. Many gassers are every bit as elegant as some DP's.
__________________
Joseph and Sandy
Arizona Sunbirds

(Snowbirds in Reverse)
Winnebago Chieftain / Ford Hybrid Toad
Raining Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 03:30 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Statgeek's Avatar
 
Fleetwood Owners Club
Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,578
Joseph--In addition to the advice above, I strongly suggest that you and your wife look at many RV's in detail, in person. Walk through them. Turn the knobs, open the cabinets, feel the wood... Some things are the same between DP's and Gassers --like hot water heaters, ovens/stoves, refrigerators. But there is a LOT that is different too.

There's a saying in the RV community that goes something like "buy your last RV first," and there really is something to that. If you buy an "entry level" RV and then decide to "trade-up" shortly after (like I did), you'll take a beating on the trade in.

Of course, without direct experience it is hard to know what your "last RV" should be like too, so I completely understand how difficult that advice is to follow! Nevertheless, if you already KNOW that you and your wife are going to fall in love with the RV lifestyle, then it is to your benefit to really think long and hard about what your long-term goals and needs and wants will be.

As just one example--if you see yourself driving very short distances, then staying for a long time, some of the benefits of a DP's smoother, more comfortable and quiet ride are kinda lost, since you are only driving it for a small percentage of your total use. But if you foresee driving it for long distances, possibly 6+ hours at a time, that smooth quiet ride suddenly becomes really important!
__________________
2013 Fleetwood Discovery 40G, Cummins ISL,Freightliner Chassis, Allison 3000.
2009 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Toad w/ Blue Ox Aventa tow bar and M&G Braking System
Statgeek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 03:41 PM   #12
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 3,282
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raining Star View Post
Well DW has her heart on a new (or newer) MH in the next couple of years. Sure I'd like all advantages a DP offers but I also like to know what I'm getting for my money.

Thankfully DW and I put a low premium on "fru fru" but a high premium on performance and reliability. The question came to mind after reading the article on the new Winnebago entry level DP.
two reason to buy a diesel pusher. you want to and you can.

there is no economical advantage just more to loose

I have one ,. wife wanted it and she bought it

she says its not for sale, so it doesn't matter what it worth,. and if I don't like it buy my own


it turned out to be a good coach... we love it and even though its a lot slower and pulls the grades slower... its very comfortable.....well, after acouple up grades

you read on one thread were they rave about how good they ride and drive..

then on the other how they changed and added
__________________
LVRVLUVR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 03:42 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
jacwjames's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 4,597
Comments regarding larger Chassis, Engine, Transmission, Differentials, Brakes, Wheels, Tires add to the cost. With the larger coach I have a 10K trailer hitch and have the power and braking capacity to safely pull that much weight.

Most DP's also have other systems that add like Inverters, Batter Banks, Solar Charging coupled with all the displays for each system. I also have a Energy Management System EMS that sheds power to maintain consumption under 30 or 20 amps depending what you are plugged into. I have a 7500 Onan diesel generator which probably cost 3X what a gas generator would cost.

My coach has a manabloc water distribution system, there is a hot and cold water line running to each location instead of just a hot & cold line which branches. If I have a leak I can isolate any area and still be able to use there rest of the faucets.

I know that there are some gas coaches out there that have some of the above but I doubt if they have all of them.
__________________
Jim J
2002 Monaco Windsor 38 PKD
2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee w/5.7 Hemi
jacwjames is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2015, 03:52 PM   #14
Senior Member
 
datrbone8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 852
because they're worth it
__________________

__________________
1998 Newmar Dutch Star, 3126B Cat/ Freightliner
2003 Honda Element
" Don't let the same dog bite you twice "
datrbone8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
WOW that's expensive denlock Newmar Owner's Forum 17 01-29-2015 03:14 PM
DPs at the Fall Detroit RV Show JohnT MH-General Discussions & Problems 1 10-02-2014 11:35 AM
Bigger and more expensive isn't always better docj iRV2.com General Discussion 23 02-03-2014 09:37 PM
Under Sink Water Filter - Expensive StringFellow Winnebago Industries Owner's Forum 9 02-03-2014 11:52 AM

» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:02 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.