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Old 10-08-2015, 07:24 AM   #15
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Please notice the Outlaw model line-up includes 2 Class A Toy Hauler models with the Outlaw 37RB...has a "Real Bedroom" and full garage.
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Having said all that...please look at the garage capacity. The Outlaw 37LS has a 2500lb garage capacity. The CS3921 has only 1000lb capacity - That giant full wall slide is pretty, but takes away from the capability.
That's a big difference over caulk and trim that can't be fixed or changed.
Interesting, what's your source for the 1000 pound limit?
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Interesting, what's your source for the 1000 pound limit?
The sticker on the wall of a 2015, CS3921. Please advise if you have a different number.
The published App NCC is 4545lb (GVWR is 26,000lb/UVW is 21,455lb)...then put 80gal of gas, 25gal of LP and 75gal of water in the tanks and much of that NCC is gone. Plus the garage weight will impact only the rear axle, which already has 500lb reserved for the receiver hitch...see:
http://www.newmarcorp.com/motor-coac...rplan-options/
The discontinued 3920 had a 1500lb garage capacity...but that didn't have that giant full wall slide in the 3921.

This is very understandable...our legacy Outlaw is 18,000lb UVW and 24,000GVWR...that's 6,000lb NCC. In a very similar shaped RV, this gives our garage 2,000lb capacity.

The 2016 Outlaw's (both LS and RB) have the 26,000lb GVWR and 2500lb garage capacity...with 80gal of water, 25gal of LP, and 100gal of water...it's all there in the numbers.

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Old 11-08-2015, 08:39 PM   #18
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by the numbers >

The Canyonstar 3921 unloaded (UVW) 21455 lbs
The Maximum Weight (GVWR) is 26000 lbs.
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The net carrying capacity is 4545 lbs.
minus 80 gals of fuel 480 lbs
minus 75 gals of water 625 lbs
minus 25 gals of propane 100 lbs
Total weight for fluids +/- 1205 lbs
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Total remaining carrying capacity 3340 lbs

Outlaw 37RB Garage carrying capacity is 2500 lbs according to their Spec Sheet.... go figure > https://outlawrv.com/class-a/specs

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The sticker on the wall of a 2015, CS3921. Please advise if you have a different number.
The published App NCC is 4545lb (GVWR is 26,000lb/UVW is 21,455lb)...then put 80gal of gas, 25gal of LP and 75gal of water in the tanks and much of that NCC is gone. Plus the garage weight will impact only the rear axle, which already has 500lb reserved for the receiver hitch...see:
Canyon Star floor plan options | Newmar
The discontinued 3920 had a 1500lb garage capacity...but that didn't have that giant full wall slide in the 3921.

This is very understandable...our legacy Outlaw is 18,000lb UVW and 24,000GVWR...that's 6,000lb NCC. In a very similar shaped RV, this gives our garage 2,000lb capacity.

The 2016 Outlaw's (both LS and RB) have the 26,000lb GVWR and 2500lb garage capacity...with 80gal of water, 25gal of LP, and 100gal of water...it's all there in the numbers.

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The weight of the fuel is included in the UVW, so the actual carrying capacity of a basic CanyonStar 3921 is >3820 lbs< after water and propane i added.
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The weight of the fuel is included in the UVW, so the actual carrying capacity of a basic CanyonStar 3921 is >3820 lbs< after water and propane i added.
Canyon Star motor coach specs | Newmar
Thanks! Never noticed that UVW includes a full tank of fuel:
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And...I noticed that Newmar reports NCC while TMC lists OCCC on their capacity tags.
OCCC is the RVIA weight capacity for motorized RV's. The difference being the weight of the LP is subtracted from the OCCC.

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Thanks! Never noticed that UVW includes a full tank of fuel:
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And...I noticed that Newmar reports NCC while TMC lists OCCC on their capacity tags.
OCCC is the RVIA weight capacity for motorized RV's. The difference being the weight of the LP is subtracted from the OCCC.

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I have no idea what NCC is. OCCC is required by the feds and has replaced CCC which was a RVIA rating. Newmar should have a OCCC rating since it's required by DOT.

OCCC (Occupant & Cargo Carrying Capacity):
As of June 2, 2008, the Federal DOT mandated a new weight label for motorhomes called the OCCC label. This replaces the previous RVIA CCC (Cargo Carrying Capacity) label and redefines how it is calcuated. OCCC is defined to be the difference between the motorhome GVWR and its unladen weight (ULW), but it requires that the ULW include a full tank of fuel and propane. Thus the OCCC gives the weight you have available for all passengers, gear, food, clothing, etc., plus any trailer tongue weight carried by the coach.

The weights on the label must be for the particular motorhome, as configured for delivery to the dealer. Further, if the dealer installs additional accessories, he must provide an updated label. This assures the owner knows what he/she is actually getting in terms of carrying capacity.

Per the FDOT website, the OCCC label has the following information:

(a) The statement: "MOTOR HOME OCCUPANT AND CARGO CARRYING CAPACITY" in block letters.

(b) The Vehicle Identification Number (VIN).

(c) The statement "THE COMBINED WEIGHT OF OCCUPANTS AND CARGO SHOULD NEVER EXCEED: XXX kg or XXX lbs" in block letters with appropriate values included.

(d) The statement "Safety belt equipped seating capacity: XXX" with the appropriate value included. This is the total number of safety belt equipped seating positions.

(e) The statement: "CAUTION: A full load of water equals XXX kg or XXX lbs of cargo @ 1 kg/L (8.3 lb/gal) and the tongue weight of a towed trailer counts as cargo" with appropriate values included.
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I just happened on to this thread...and notice the extreme claims of 8000 lbs vs 1000 lbs and so on. Both are built on the same Ford platform, both use the same drivetrain, there is no way there could be that much discrepancy.
I've used both Coaches and can see the advantage of each, and I think the the price point reflects the actual level of quality in each unit, which should come to no surprise to experienced consumers. ;-)
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I just happened on to this thread...and notice the extreme claims of 8000 lbs vs 1000 lbs and so on. Both are built on the same Ford platform, both use the same drivetrain, there is no way there could be that much discrepancy.
I've used both Coaches and can see the advantage of each, and I think the the price point reflects the actual level of quality in each unit, which should come to no surprise to experienced consumers. ;-)
The 2015 Model's Garage rating is:
Newmar 3921: 1500lb (edit)
Outlaw (all): 2500lb

The difference is the GVWR (26,000lb for both) and the weight of the big beautiful full wall slide in the 3921.

The 2015 Model's Hitch rating is:
Newmar 3921: 5000lb (standard Class III)
Outlaw (all): 8000lb (Class III plus)

The difference here is less clear...GCWR for both is 30,000lb, so the Newmar's hitch could possibly be upgraded...but a weigh-in would be smart.

The numbers do not lie.

About the difference in build quality of these rather similar gas coaches...this is also less clear and could be an entire thread of it's own...YMMV.

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The 2015 Model's Garage rating is:
Newmar 3921: 1000lb
Outlaw (all): 2500lb

The difference is the GVWR (26,000lb for both) and the weight of the big beautiful full wall slide in the 3921.

The 2015 Model's Hitch rating is:
Newmar 3921: 5000lb (standard Class III)
Outlaw (all): 8000lb (Class III plus)

The difference here is less clear...GCWR for both is 30,000lb, so the Newmar's hitch could possibly be upgraded...but a weigh-in would be smart.

The numbers do not lie.

About the difference in build quality of these rather similar gas coaches...this is also less clear and could be an entire thread of it's own...YMMV.

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I got some numbers from Thor on the 38RF but the idea is the same. With a full load you've got towing ability of 4,000. If you go over that you have to reduce your OCCC. The OCCC on the 38RF is almost 3,700 so even empty you can't tow 8,000. I'm assuming the OCCC on the toy haulers is higher so you might make 8,000.
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The garage rating on a Newmar Canyon Star 3921 is 1500lbs its the same as my 3920. Not sure where the 1000lbs comes from?
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The garage rating on a Newmar Canyon Star 3921 is 1500lbs its the same as my 3920. Not sure where the 1000lbs comes from?
I was told the same (1500 lbs.) when I contacted Newmar a couple of weeks ago.
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Interesting, what's your source for the 1000 pound limit?
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The garage rating on a Newmar Canyon Star 3921 is 1500lbs its the same as my 3920. Not sure where the 1000lbs comes from?
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I was told the same (1500 lbs.) when I contacted Newmar a couple of weeks ago.
The 1000lb capacity was - like I said above - on the wall of a 3921 I saw at an RV show (first 3921 I ever saw).

If this is incorrect, THANK GOODNESS! Two Full-Dressers can run at or over 1,500lb.

Thanks for the feedback

So, back on topic - the 2016 Outlaw Class A line is made of 2 Toy Haulers (37LS and 37RB) and 2 Residence versions (38RE and the new for 2016 38 RF).

2016 also brings the Residential Fridge (standard), 4 house batteries (standard), bigger inverter (1800W, standard), and optional bug screen in the Toy Hauler's garages.

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We looked at a 2016 Canyon Star 3921 last weekend. The garage sticker reads "Garage load capacity 1500 lbs".
I really liked the Newmar 3921 but then we looked at 5th wheel toy haulers and now my wife is back to preferring those.
With the Canyon Star we can haul 2 Harleys and pull a Jeep Wrangler. With the 5er TH we can haul 2 bikes and our golf cart but will have a dually as a runabout vehicle. Oh the decisions...


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