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Old 02-07-2016, 10:41 AM   #169
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Since there are quite a few models of Grand Cherokee by Jeep, I am clarifying that mine is the 2014 Jeep Grand Cheorkee Summit model with Quad Drive, Track II system. I have towed it behind our 2015 Dutch Star for over 5K miles using a Blue Ox flat towing system and the AirForce One integrated braking system. No problems at all to date. I keep my rear camera on and I've never seen any sign of sway or rocking at any speed.
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Old 02-07-2016, 10:14 PM   #170
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So which model of jeep is the one not to get for flat towing?
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Old 02-08-2016, 06:58 AM   #171
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It appears their is some confusion regarding vehicle model here.

This thread is about the Jeep Cherokee, not the Grand Cherokee.

It would be interesting to know how many people are successfully towing the Cherokee compared to having a problem with the wobble.
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Old 02-08-2016, 07:14 AM   #172
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Just left my Jeep dealership regarding this issue. I have my Roadmaster brackets ready to install now. Two different people that we called including Jeep customer assistance advised NOT to flat tow this vehicle until the issue is advised. It was suggested I put it on a trailer.

This is a little disheartening since we bought this vehicle specifically to flat tow! Glad I haven't sold my other tow vehicle yet (99 Cherokee getting a little tired...) This is on our 2014 Trailhawk.
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I, too, bought the 2014 Cherokee for the specific purpose of flat towing it behind the motor home.
You're lucky. I was 1200 miles from home when a Service Advisor informed me that if it were his vehicle, he wouldn't tow it.
My wife had to drive the Cherokee home separately. She was not a happy camper!
We have had hundreds of thousands of trouble-free miles with a previous Grand Cherokee, Wrangler, and Liberty. Fiat blew it with the design of this crossover. I have a whole list of other problems that I've documented over the last year and a half. Since the dealers don't experience them in the shop it's as if they don't exist.
WIth all due respect, and a mutual interest in this situation, I think you are both over reacting to this.............

What else are Jeep people supposed to say? Of course the local service people have no understanding about this situation first hand. First, only a portion (a very small portion is my bet) of Cherokees are flat towed, and even less have had this occur. And, my bet is there are less than a handful of Jeep service advisors in the country that have ever flat towed anything. All they have is what Corp. tells them, and that is what they tell thier customers. And even if they did have first hand experience or a differing opinion, and they told you to go ahead, and just be cautious, and then something happened, "you / others" would jump all over them for "lying to you, and putting you / your family and property in grave danger", etc.......

If you read this entire thread, most of us that own Cherokees have not had this occur, and for those that have, they have very simply stopped, and then drove off again. And, most of the time, it occurs at a very slow speed after pulling away turning and hitting a dip that triggers the ocilation. Maybe a bit shaken, but at this point since you understand what is going on if it does happen, you shouldn't be too surprised and be able to react in a safe and logical manner.

Don't let forum hysteria stop you from making a logical decision.

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WIth all due respect, and a mutual interest in this situation, I think you are both over reacting to this.............

What else are Jeep people supposed to say? Of course the local service people have no understanding about this situation first hand. First, only a portion (a very small portion is my bet) of Cheroless are flat towed, and even less have had this occur. And, my bet is there are less than a handful of Jeep service advisors in the country that have ever flat towed anything. All they have is what Corp. tells them, and that is what they tell thier customers. And even if they did have first hand experience, and they told you to go ahead, and just be cautious, and then something happened, "you / others" would jump all over them for lying to you, and putting you / your family and property in grave danger, etc.......

If you read this entire thread, most of us that own Cherokees have not had this occur, and for those that have, they have very simply stopped, and then drove off again. And, most of the time, it occurs at a very slow speed after pulling away turning and hitting a dip that triggers the ocilation. Maybe a bit shaken, but at this point since you understand what is going on if it does happen, you shouldn't be too surprised and be able to react in a safe and logical manner.

Don't let forum hysteria stop you from making a logical decision.

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I know of over 50 of us who have experienced this.
FMCA has written an article about this in the February 2016 issue of Family Motor Coaching magazine if you would like to inform yourself before writing or talking about it.
Fiat Chrysler Automobiles has also recognized it and has created a wiring harness to attempt to prevent it. Service advisors should know about this.
It happens at highway speeds as well as at low speeds. Consider if you are driving through a tunnel (like the PA turnpike) and have to come to a complete stop. It is quite likely you could cause a chain reaction accident behind you. Or you are driving down a two lane country road with traffic behind you and you have to stop in the lane to get the rocking to cease. We should be cognizant to others' safety and drive defensively.
Over reacting? Only those who haven't experienced this make light of it. When the Jeep rocks the entire motor coach, you would be concerned as well.
We should work together to make RVing safer, not make light of others' problems.
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That's too bad for you, and unfortunately I don't think there are many dealer sales reps that are knowledgeable when it comes to flat towing a Jeep.

Just to repeat what others have said, and add a bit. You must have the Active Drive II transmission to flat tow. It comes standard on the Trail Hawk, is an option on the Latitude and Limited and is not available on the Sport.
On the Grand Cherokee...you need the luxury package II to get Active tran II
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I know of over 50 of us who have experienced this.
FMCA has written an article about this in the February 2016 issue of Family Motor Coaching magazine if you would like to inform yourself before writing or talking about it.
Fiat Chrysler Automobiles has also recognized it and has created a wiring harness to attempt to prevent it. Service advisors should know about this.
It happens at highway speeds as well as at low speeds. Consider if you are driving through a tunnel (like the PA turnpike) and have to come to a complete stop. It is quite likely you could cause a chain reaction accident behind you. Or you are driving down a two lane country road with traffic behind you and you have to stop in the lane to get the rocking to cease. We should be cognizant to others' safety and drive defensively.
Over reacting? Only those who haven't experienced this make light of it. When the Jeep rocks the entire motor coach, you would be concerned as well.
We should work together to make RVing safer, not make light of others' problems.
Yes, I read the FMCA article..... And I thank them for helping bring this to FCA's attention. And yes, if you have read this entire thread, I have followed it here and elsewhere all along as well.

But it is 50 out of how many have been towed how many miles? Yes, it COULD be a problem. Getting a blowout can be a problem too. If the slim chance that this occurs, during the exact moment you are driving through a tunnel, if, if, etc. etc. (that is hysteria hype). Chances are if it does occur, all you have to do it just safely come to a stop, and chances are, that will not put anyone in grave danger. Chances of some catastrophic incident are slim to none.

So, all I am saying is keep it in perspective. At this point it should not be a surprise if it does occur and then react accordingly. Don't not hook it up and make your spouse drive 1200 miles, don't not get your tow set up put on. I am very cognizant about pulling out of service stations for instance, and the dip you usually encounter, and slowing accelerate making sure the Jeep if tracking normally. If I hit a dip in the road, or just have to make a tight turn, I check my rear view camera to make sure all is good.

I am not, not going to pull my Jeep.
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WIth all due respect, and a mutual interest in this situation, I think you are both over reacting to this.............

What else are Jeep people supposed to say? Of course the local service people have no understanding about this situation first hand. First, only a portion (a very small portion is my bet) of Cherokees are flat towed, and even less have had this occur. And, my bet is there are less than a handful of Jeep service advisors in the country that have ever flat towed anything. All they have is what Corp. tells them, and that is what they tell thier customers. And even if they did have first hand experience or a differing opinion, and they told you to go ahead, and just be cautious, and then something happened, "you / others" would jump all over them for "lying to you, and putting you / your family and property in grave danger", etc.......

If you read this entire thread, most of us that own Cherokees have not had this occur, and for those that have, they have very simply stopped, and then drove off again. And, most of the time, it occurs at a very slow speed after pulling away turning and hitting a dip that triggers the ocilation. Maybe a bit shaken, but at this point since you understand what is going on if it does happen, you shouldn't be too surprised and be able to react in a safe and logical manner.

Don't let forum hysteria stop you from making a logical decision.

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I am sitting at a campground in Florida that has about 150 sites and there are 7 Cherokees that got pulled here not driven

I have pulled mine almost 18,000 miles
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For anyone wondering, I called the Chrysler number this morning and confirmed this is only for the Cherokee's and NOT the Grand Cherokee.

I was rather pleased with this information because we purchased a new leftover 2015 Grand Cherokee Limited over the weekend.
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I am a little disappointed. Called the jeep customer service number listed on the announcement. Got the runaround. They said they had the notification of an issue, but I needed to talk to the dealer about it.

Will call them today.
Have towed our trailhawk about 1k miles in Ca. Without any problems.......yet.

The trailhawk has higher ground clearance than regular Cherokee. Wonder if this makes a difference?

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I am a little disappointed. Called the jeep customer service number listed on the announcement. Got the runaround. They said they had the notification of an issue, but I needed to talk to the dealer about it.

Will call them today.
Have towed our trailhawk about 1k miles in Ca. Without any problems.......yet.

The trailhawk has higher ground clearance than regular Cherokee. Wonder if this makes a difference?

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Actually no difference in height the Active Drive II transmission adds 1 inch to the height - nobody has been able to tell me why
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Given is is related to the front tires tracking, maybe the larger / wider tires
on the Trailhawks return to center better than the smaller tires on the other models.

The one question that really has never been answered in all of this, is EXACTLY what triggers this wobble? Yes, it has to do with steering resistance, and seems to often be related to sharp turns and / or hitting a severe undulations, but there must be something else that happens too, to get the wobble. Otherwise it would happen more constantly and / more often to more people (seems so to me....). Tow bar geometry has been mentioned, but what about things like the toad brakes, other tow bar nuances etc.

Anyway, need to keep it all in perspective. In any case, I'm not in any big rush to deal with Jeep on it yet........
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Given is is related to the front tires tracking, maybe the larger / wider tires
on the Trailhawks return to center better than the smaller tires on the other models.

The one question that really has never been answered in all of this, is EXACTLY what triggers this wobble? Yes, it has to do with steering resistance, and seems to often be related to sharp turns and / or hitting a severe undulations, but there must be something else that happens too, to get the wobble. Otherwise it would happen more constantly and / more often to more people (seems so to me....). Tow bar geometry has been mentioned, but what about things like the toad brakes, other tow bar nuances etc.

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I have the same general question. It has been stated the only way to stop it is to come to a complete stop. Which does not make sense to me....I would think that a lane change or turning a corner would fix it since it makes the toad tires turn and then re-center.

But I am guessing it is some kind of oscillation.

UPDATE on the dealer phone call....no joy there, they could not tell me anything about a jumper and switch solution...maybe it is just a dealy in communications...

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Update from Jeep Customer Service.

They could not answer my question this morning, the the rep did more research and called me back. I had her e-mail this new info.

Vehicle Description: JEEP CHEROKEE TRAILHAWK 4X4 SPORT UTILITY 4-DOOR
The company knows of several dozen Cherokee owners who have experienced the problem. As a result, FCA will soon have available a jumper wire harness and switch to ensure the vehicle’s EPS system has power to function while it is being flat-towed. These components have been engineered and validated by FCA US LLC and will be made available to all customers for purchase through MOPAR, most likely in late February, 2016. In addition, all 2014-2016 Cherokee owners will be contacted directly by FCA US and provided with updated instructions for flat-towing, also in late February, 2016. These instructions supersede all previous instructions. Also, the vehicle’s online owner's manual will be updated at that time. FCA recommends that owner's not flat-tow the vehicle until they receive the new instructions.


She stated that all parts coming from Mopar could be self-installed...so that is good.

I guess this means everyone needs to add a Charge Line to their toad cable.

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