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Old 11-12-2017, 03:28 PM   #1
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2016 Chevy Spark sliding in tight curve

We have a 2016 chevy spark and we had it all wired up with the lights and the stay and play braking system. It was done at the rv shop and they did a great job but our problem is we pull it with our 24ft class c. It pulls with no problem but if we get in a tight curve the spark will slide. Not sure if it is the steering which is electric steering or if the brakes are locking up or the wheel base is so small it doesn't have time to catch up with the rv.Has anyone else had this problem
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Do you mean the front wheels of the Toad slide/drag sideways on turns? Why not take it to an empty parking lot and have someone else drive it while you stand by and watch? Try different speeds and degrees of turning to find the conditions that cause it.

The braking system might need adjusting if it's too sensitive. It's billed as an inertia system, so perhaps it's sensing a turn as braking, which would need adjustment.
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Has anyone else had this problem
Not with a Spark, but we sometimes tow a 2011 Equinox. I "accidently" found out that if there is power to the Electric Steering Assist, the front tires/wheels will NOT swivel/caster to follow/track the RV.

Mine is OK with the ignition key in the ACC position and/or with a fuse pulled.

Check your Operator's Manual for towing instructions. Check your key position.

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Old 11-12-2017, 06:17 PM   #4
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I don't know if the 2013 and the 2016 Sparks have the same steering/ingnition but on our 2013 there is a notch between accessory and off on the ignition. We haven't had any problems as long as we turn the key to that notch which keeps the steering wheel from locking up. It also doesn't turn on any accessories. The notch is hard to find.
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Not with a Spark, but we sometimes tow a 2011 Equinox. I "accidently" found out that if there is power to the Electric Steering Assist, the front tires/wheels will NOT swivel/caster to follow/track the RV.

Mine is OK with the ignition key in the ACC position and/or with a fuse pulled.

Check your Operator's Manual for towing instructions. Check your key position.

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Thank you. We had it first in acc ten gm said put it one notch further. We have a chagrinning system to keep battery charged but it still did it. We have turned the sensitivity all the way off. We just bought a camera to put in there and see if we can see if it is brakes or steering
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Are you pulling the fuse to keep it charged or pulling the electric steering fuse
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Do you mean the front wheels of the Toad slide/drag sideways on turns? Why not take it to an empty parking lot and have someone else drive it while you stand by and watch? Try different speeds and degrees of turning to find the conditions that cause it.

The braking system might need adjusting if it's too sensitive. It's billed as an inertia system, so perhaps it's sensing a turn as braking, which would need adjustment.
We turned the braking system all the way down and still did it. Tried the acc one more notch gm said to do. It is fine straight or if you go real slow in turn but the slightest speed in a tight turn it is either locking up or sliding. Just bought a camera to put inside the vehicle to see if it is the brakes or steering
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I tow a 2017 manual Spark with Ignition switch in off position and the steering wheel does not lock. Sit in vehicle with Key in off position and turn steering wheel to see if it locks. I have been to dealer and they didn't understand why. This has been discussed on irv2 forums by a few of us. Search toad forum for more info. Hope this helps. I have had no problems what so ever with steering.
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When you say "sliding" do you mean the from wheels are scrubbing by not following the motorhome rear wheel path? We purchased a 2107 Spark 2 months ago to replace our Smart car that is prone to that because of the short wheelbase. On the Smart we used a bungee cord to re-center the steering wheel after a sharp turn so it couldn't scrub. I think the 2016 and 2017 series of Sparks don't have to have the ignition switch set to Acc. even though the manual says to do that. My car can be turned lock to lock with out any problem sitting still with the key out. I'm going to take it to a big racing pad near home and see what happens with the wheels turning at 50 mph and then the key off turned off. I also wonder if the electric steering has some need for the key to be on??? I did purchase a charge line kit for it last month and will install it next week when I convert it to towing capable so I guess it really doesn't matter to me, but it would be nice to know for sure if the key has to be on.
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I tow a 2017 manual Spark with Ignition switch in off position and the steering wheel does not lock. Sit in vehicle with Key in off position and turn steering wheel to see if it locks. I have been to dealer and they didn't understand why. This has been discussed on irv2 forums by a few of us. Search toad forum for more info. Hope this helps. I have had no problems what so ever with steering.
Thanks... We don't know if it is the stay and play braking system. We have turned it off and it still does it.. Real mystery.Guess it is time to talk to someone at the top at gm. We are going to put a camera inside the car to see if it is the steering or the brakes only in a tight curve
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We were wondering if it is because of the short wheel base on the spark. It is a great car to tow Great gas mileage and light.. Just in those tight curves it feels like either the brakes are coming on or it is the electric steering. We went one notch past acc is what gm told us but I could not tell any difference in the steering between acc and that. Will check with key off. Wonder if an extension on the trailer part would give the car more room to turn with the short wheel base. Let me know if you have a problem when you take it at 50 in the curve.
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Electric power steering could very likely be the cause, especially since you've eliminated the braking system. Jeep has had a lot of issues with its electric steering system, they even have a harness to keep the steering engaged when towing.

Try sitting in the Toad when towing it around a parking lot. See if you can get the wheels 'skidding' and if turning the steering wheel straight stops it. The solution might be a bungee cord on the steering wheel to help it return to straight ahead.

You might also have the alignment checked to be sure it is 'tuned' to give maximum tracking properties needed in a Toad.
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Jeep has had a lot of issues with its electric steering system, they even have a harness to keep the steering engaged when towing.
I thought the problem with "electric" power steering was because the steering system was energized when folks leave the key on to tow.

I thought de-energizing the electric power steering system while towing was the cure for the problem. Am I wrong?
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I thought the problem with "electric" power steering was because the steering system was energized when folks leave the key on to tow.

I thought de-energizing the electric power steering system while towing was the cure for the problem. Am I wrong?
Jeep makes a wiring harness to keep the electric steering active when towing with the key off to prevent a serious wobble that was happening when towing. This, of course, uses battery energy, so most folks have to also be sure to have a charge wire between the RV and Toad. Do a search of the forum using "Cherokee wobble" and you'll find many threads on this.

You could try and produce the skidding in a parking lot, then try the same maneuvers with the steering active and see if the problem goes away.
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