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Old 10-09-2015, 10:04 PM   #1
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Advice for Newbie please

Hi, we've had experience RVing quite locally...Florida in a gentle 35ft gasser but now we're going out full time with our shiny new Tiffin DP. I have no intention of towing anything until I'm very familiar with driving the 38 ft coach. We will want to have a vehicle with us in time though. I've seen front wheels up, all 4 down and the car on a trailer, I just have no idea which is the way to go,I'm sure there are pros and cons on all options, perhaps you Gurus would care to share your thoughts. It would be much appreciated.
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Old 10-09-2015, 10:20 PM   #2
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There many opinions, yes. A lot depends on the car you plan to tow. We tow a 2015 Jeep Wrangler using the Blue Ox Avail tow bar and Rvi2 Braking system for the car. We have a 36' DP. Met a couple in South Dakota last week that were using a tow dolly (front wheels off the ground). The guy was complaining about how difficult it was to hook up correctly. We opted not to use a trailer due to the extra weight, so we found a car that could be towed 4 down... We hardly know it's there..

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Depends what you have/want to tow. Almost any front drive car can be towed on a dolly. A lot of cars cannot be towed 4 down. If you have a car you want to keep that dictates your towing method. If you are getting a towed you can look at what is available. Try these folks for towing advice:

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Hi, we've had experience RVing quite locally...Florida in a gentle 35ft gasser but now we're going out full time with our shiny new Tiffin DP. I have no intention of towing anything until I'm very familiar with driving the 38 ft coach. We will want to have a vehicle with us in time though. I've seen front wheels up, all 4 down and the car on a trailer, I just have no idea which is the way to go,I'm sure there are pros and cons on all options, perhaps you Gurus would care to share your thoughts. It would be much appreciated.
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Let's look at it this way. Of the three methods of towing or, bringing along a vehicle (aka "Toad"), what do you THINK would be the least hassle, most problem free, least amount of logistics and, the least HASSLE of all three?

Of course the answer is: All four wheels on the ground or, otherwise known as "FLAT TOWING". Now, if you don't already have a particular vehicle in mind or, already own one that you might plan on towing, then the SMARTEST thing you can do is, look in the Motor Home magazines "Dinghy Towing Guide" for the make/model/year of vehicle you're thinking about.

Every year, that magazine comes out with a list, typically acquired from the factories of all the vehicles listed, on which ones of a brand/make/model/transmission/etc. that can or cannot be flat towed. And, they will also put in that list, any restrictions or cautions for said vehicles.

If you think about the other two ways you listed of bringing along a toad, which are the full trailer or, tow-dolly, here's the MAIN issue you'll have with those. Once you've off loaded your toad, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT THEN?? Especially in tight camping areas with very limited space?

Then, there's storing it at home too, unless you're going full time but, unless you've mapped out, each and every stop/campsite for your entire travels and, have found out which ones have EXTRA SPACE , FOREVER, you'll have to deal with, where to put either one of them, each time you stop/camp.

Now, to be sure, it will take a bit to set up an intended "Flat tow" vehicle. You'll need a base plate that will permenantly attach to the front end of said vehicle. Most of the time, you don't know they're installed because the designers have done a great job of building them so they're concealed.

Then, you'll need a good tow bar. There are basically two types. One, stays on the coach, when disconnected from the toad. The other, stays on the toad, when disconnected from the coach. There's actually a third type too. It's the old style that is basically bolted to the front of a vehicle (usually an old Jeep type vehicle ) that sticks up in front of the hood, and looks really dumb now days, especially in light of the nice cars that can be towed.

You'll need to wire that toad, for tail lights so that when you're towing it, it gives notice to folks following you. There's several ways of accomplishing this.

And, although somewhat of an argument as to whether it's actually required in some or most states, you'll be well advised to setup a braking system in that toad to, for activation when you're towing it. Again, there are several on the market out there.

Now, once all this is said and done, and you've chosen to "Flat tow", you'll get that system of hook-up and, disconnect down to a science and, you'll be done in a matter of a minute or two, in either hooking up in prep for towing or, disconnecting in prep for pulling into a campsite or, sending the DW out for scouting out a campsite while you stay in contact with her on your phone or, FS radios or, whatever method you'd choose.

But, all in all, by far, flat towing is the easiest and most efficient in towing methods.

Two of the most common TOADs out in RV land are, the Honda CRV and, the Jeep Wrangler. Some tout the Wrangler as the most towed while others, stand up for the CRV. I will say at this point though, Honda, in it's infinite wisdom, re-designed the CRV for 2015 and, it IS NOT TOWABLE.

But, all years under that model are. So, hope this info helps some. Good luck.
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FWIW dollies are easy to deal with. Trailers not so much. I put a hitch on our Escape so I can unhook and use it to move to a site if it's a back in. It does not need to be a heavy duty setup to handle a 300 lb or so dolly. That is also in case we cannot just roll it by hand.

The dolly goes in first with the tongue flat and the MH backs in with the tongue under the MH. That significantly reduces the footprint. It also allows us to pull the MH forward, pick up the tongue and hook on the dolly then pull out and run the car up the ramp. 5 minutes to hook up is about normal.

FWIW2 - given the cost and ease of dealing with a dolly it is a very hard sell to get me to buy a vehicle that is not what I want because it can be towed 4 down then spend the additional money to set up that way. Obviously a lot of folks disagree but a lot also go my way. Just look around. The real point is to use whatever suits your needs and wants.
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Old 10-12-2015, 08:55 PM   #7
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Thank you all for your input. As we're going to be full time for at least 2 or 3 years I think the flat tow is best for us.Hopefully we will only ever need one toad. I'm hoping to run across a decent one that is already fitted with the necessary hardware. As I mentioned I want to learn to drive this beast very comfortably before I add another 20ft.
Thank you all again, be safe out there.



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trailer then you can add extra stuff on it like golf cart, bikes or whatever else
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Old 10-13-2015, 08:30 PM   #9
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We have had 3 motorhomes and been around people towing in different mechanisms

If you want a trouble free life

1. Tow 4 on the floor
2. Choose a lightweight car (Honda CRV, etc)
3. Choose a Braking system that requires no work (Air force one)

Wrote an article about what we do (Don't tow as big as we do - Makes it a little harder on the big hills an our MH is a little larger than yours)

If you follow these rules - life is easy and you won't hate it

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We bought our motor home new in 2005. Since then it has been 4 wheels down.

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So not to stomp on TGA2016, but reading the post I started wondering how the jeep pulls behind by just connecting the Blue ox. I recently purchased a Monaco and it has a Blue Ox with it. Today we bought a 2002 TJ wrangler toy to pull and I plan pn installing wiring and putting a base plate on it. My question is when I hook it up to the Blue Ox, does the Jeep just follow the same path (what prevents the steering to turn)

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Stomp on TGA2016 - meaning to change the focus of the conversation, I should probably have started an new thread. Sorry TGA2016
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Answer to Corriente04's question. The TOAD will just follow the MH. I always tie a white cloth to the top of the steering wheel of the TOAD and can see it turn to follow the MH in the rear camera.
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