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Old 02-25-2009, 07:38 AM   #15
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Well I chickened out on doing the install myself. I have an appointment at Brazeles RV in Centralia WA for Friday morning. Will post how it all goes when I return.
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Old 03-01-2009, 07:31 PM   #16
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Well the deed is done. I arrived in Centralia WA Thursday afternoon and picked a spot in Brazel's RV Park. A nice little park to stay in if you need work done. We were worried since it is right next to the RR tracks but it must be a spur since we had no train noise all night. Went to the Casino down the road for dinner and even won a few bucks. Friday morning about 8:15 I took the car into the shop first. This gave us time to have breakfast and straighten up the coach. About 11:00 one of the mechanics came over and said the car was done and to bring the coach over when we were ready. We had the coach in the shop by 11:30 for the rest of the install. We were allowed to stay in the coach with our dog while the work was being done. The entire job was finished by 1:30 and we were off on a test run to the Washington coast. I have to say I love the Air Force One system it works flawlessly and above expatiations. I also cannot say enough good things about Brazel's. If you are in the market for an aux brake system SMI products are the way to go and Brazel's can make the installation procedure a pleasure.
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Brian,

Thank You for your great review!!
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Brian,

Glad you got the AF1. We have been very pleased with ours. As previously noted, the folks at SMI are very helpful and will answer any technical questions promptly.
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I believe in supporting our advertisers and in letting people know if you are satisfied.. In reverse if I had been the least bit unsatisfied I would have screamed it to the rooftops.
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This might be a little off the subject but we have a US Gear system in our toad. About $900.00 for the system. I looked at the Air force one but since I was going to do it myself I thought no way would I cut my brake line on the coach. So we went with another system. We had it 3 years on one toad and got a new car. When I looked under the hood(about 3 seconds) It was off to an installer. He charged $650.00 to install it in the new car. I removed it myself. Much simpler after putting it in and thinking about it for a while. I am sure they all work well and good luck with what ever way you go. Joe and Pam
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I looked at the Air force one but since I was going to do it myself I thought no way would I cut my brake line on the coach. ever way you Joe and Pam
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You don't cut any air lines, you just use an empty port or tee an existing one.
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Mike, your installation technique may be better and cleaner than what is in the directions from SMI. They sent me the install instructions which read in part:

"Step 2: Supply-Air Connection
Locate the coach’s supply air hose. This line will be located above 1. The relay-valve assembly. It will be either 5/8” in outside diameter. Do not confuse this hose with the treadle-valve hose. This line is only 3/8” in outside diameter and should not be tampered with.
Cut this line with an appropriate hose cutter so that the cut is straight 2. and clean. A straight, clean edge is necessary to prevent leaks in the coach’s air system. Remember, you must drain the coach’s air tanks before cutting this line."

That scares a lot of us off.

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I'm curious too, AFO requires two air lines into its system, one a supply for charging the air tank (will be at system pressure 90-130 psi), and two, a metered line for activating the aux brake system. The metered air can use an existing port as its run is very short. What is the source of the air to the aux air tank if no air lines are cut?
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Look at the pictures(specifically the second one) and you'll see the valve to which I was speaking. All coaches with air brakes have these type valves, so there is no reason to cut the line. You would simply put in the supplied brass fitting and air hose like in the picture. I'n not sure why pete has that in the instruction's, even with a M&G tow brake system, we would tee into the distribution valve or tee into an existing line.
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Look at the pictures ( specifically the second one)
Are you referring to the pictures in this thread, or in the SMI instructions?
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Sorry,yes I meant the picture in this discussion.
The supply line can be teed into & run the the extra air tank for the SMI. Again any shop worth thier mettle will use brass fittings to allow for the extra line.
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... meant the picture in this discussion
Good, so I can speak with authority to that picture since I took it . The nice shiny brass "tee" was supplied with AFO. It is the source of the air to the extra air tank also supplied with AFO.

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That's what I did. But I DID have to cut the air line to insert the "tee". I don't know any other way to insert a tee. Is there? I suppose if the concern is specifically cutting a BRAKE line, I did NOT have do that. Nothing in the install calls for messing with any lines between the coach's air tank and the brake's relay valves.

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tee into the distribution valve
The 1/4 line off the brake relay (I think my use of "brake relay" and your use of "distribution valve" is the same part right?) , runs to the AFO relay valve but no further. It is not responsible for supplying air to the aux air tank or the aux braking system itself.

So there are two air lines in that picture, one required me to cut a coach air line to insert a tee. The other used an existing port off the existing brake relay.
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