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Old 02-23-2016, 07:19 PM   #1
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Am I pushing my toad weight with WorkHorse?

Have a 2004 32' Allegro with WH chassis. Currently tow a 2005 Honda CRV with no issues. Looking to replace CR-V with new CR-V or Colorado, crew Cab LB 4wd. Probably will see a 1200 lb. increase pushing close to 4700 lbs. with the truck. Am I asking too much of my workhorse? Will I feel a big difference towing? I have a 2007 Chevy 2500 left over from my fifth wheel days that would probably be trading in on Colorado. Would love to hear from folks towing Colorado with gasser. As a side note, will probably move to DP in the next few years as we make our way towards retirement. Appreciate all feedback. Tim
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Old 02-23-2016, 09:02 PM   #2
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I may not be much help here but my first question is what chassis do you have? I have a 2003 W20 pulling a 3600 Lb Saturn Vue with no problems. If you have a W22, I can't see that adding another 1200 lbs is going to make that much difference. If you have a W20, you may be pushing or exceeding the GVWR limits but you still shouldn't feel much difference.
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I'm on a W24 towing the GMC Canyon. I went from a Saturn LW300 to the truck. I did not get the long bed. I towed to Florida from Virginia, so not any mountain driving. You will notice the difference as the truck is heavier, but I never felt like the Motorhome was over taxed or straining. I also think my gas mileage was about the same. Around 7 MPG.

In fairness though, I do have the Ultra Power upgrade, Iridium plugs and Magnum wires. I don't know if there would be a difference without the upgrade, but it sure has made traveling much better. I usually run in 5 or 6 up grades and no longer shift down to 3 unless I'm pulling a long grade and then it normally up shifts to 4 much faster than before.
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Old 02-24-2016, 05:50 AM   #4
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My MKX weighs at 4700 lbs according to the Internet and I have absolutely no problem towing four down with a Blue Ox Aventa tow bar.

No other mods to suspension either.
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Old 02-24-2016, 08:20 AM   #5
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Thanks Folks

All good info. I will have to dig up my actual weight on the W20 workhorse chassis and see if I am exceeding that limit (GVWR).
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Old 02-24-2016, 01:32 PM   #6
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I couldn't find the 2004 version of your coach but the 2005 on a W20 chassis has a 5000# hitch rating. The heaviest curb weight for any 2015 Colorado is 4450# with full fuel. If you add 150# for tow plate, tow bar, options and odds-n-ends, you might start with a reasonable guesstimate of 4600# of total weight being towed. Of course, if you get accurate weights for the truck after you buy it and load it, substitute those figures. However, I can't see any way that truck would exceed 5000# without anything in the back.

GVWR is 20,700#
GCWR is 26,000#

Unless you decide to carry over 400# of other stuff in the back of the truck there is no technical reason to stop you. At that point you would want to consider the other factors such as impact on:

MPG
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Handling of coach. (Does it make the "tail wagging the dog" worse?)
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All good info. I will have to dig up my actual weight on the W20 workhorse chassis and see if I am exceeding that limit (GVWR).
Just for clarity...

Rule #1 GVWR is the rating for the coach itself. That should not be exceeded no matter what/if you are towing.

Rule #2 GCWR is (mostly) a combination of GVWR and hitch rating. It isn't always exactly that but fairly close.

You should not borrow unused weight from Rule #1 or Rule #2 to justify exceeding either of those rules.
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Old 02-24-2016, 06:31 PM   #8
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Great Detail

Folks,
The info provided continues to be great. My MH is under cover however I seem to recall the last time I had it weighed it was about 19K. We always ride with a pretty full tank of fuel and lots of water as most of our camping is at the beach with no hookups. I am going to keep the old CR-V as it owes me nothing so I will still have the as an alternative until I treat us to the Phaeton 36' we are looking at. I think I just have a hankering for a new truck. Did look at a 2014 CR-V EXL on the way home but the dealer was just too proud of the vehicle and turned me off to discussing further.
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Old 02-27-2016, 06:51 PM   #9
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Thanks Folks- Took the plunge today

Purchased a 2016 Colorado today with pickup on Monday. Crew Cab, Long bed, 4wd, convenience/towing/luxury package. Not sure I am thrilled with the Forest green color but should grow on me. Now to start working on gathering the baseplate and battery disconnect. Certainly a little tricky getting it into neutral. Will definitely need to write the instructions down. Brought it home to show the Mrs. for approval and then drove it for a few hours to be sure it would work for me. Trading in the 2007 1/2, 2500HD in the background.
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Nice truck! I really like my Canyon, I traded a 2007 Tacoma. No regrets, in fact we did a 1400 mile week long trip in the truck and we're thrilled how well it rode.

I did order my Canyon so was able to get color and options I wanted.

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Had the Truck Weighed Today

Took the truck to scale today. 1/2 tank of fuel and me in the truck was 4,740. That would put it at 4,590 lbs. Usually toss bikes in the toad, sometime a porta-bote and the motor, so will be right at 4,900 lbs.
Had Line-X bedliner sprayed in this week and Westin running boards. Now need to order my Blue Ox base plate and lighting kit. Ready for Spring, may even take the cover off the camper tomorrow.
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Puts you close to the limit or even over, my workhorse is rated for 5000 and I'm towing about 4450 GMC Canyon with sprayed in box liner, running boards and a fiberglass box lid and it seems heavy and thats with a Banks package installed on the MH. Watch your not to far over, could be an insurance issue if you got into an accident. I'm thinking of getting a lighter toad.
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Oh by the way my toad is a 2007 Canyon, moved up from a 2003 CRV, sometime regret that with the extra weight, burn more fuel and added a Banks package. DP would be the way to go if you want the heavier toad. My HM is an Itasca on W22 chassis.
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We love our Colorado I just got it set up to tow here is the battery disconnect we used
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