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Old 08-28-2011, 03:24 PM   #57
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I'm still searching but I did find a lot of references to the key quote which was the following:

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Dingy Tow Compatibility Allows for Ease in Flat Towing

Customers who wish to flat tow their vehicles behind a motor home or camper have been limited to 44 vehicles that feature a transfer case with a neutral setting. The 6F features a unique technology that allows for flat towing without adversely affecting the transmission. A gravity-drip tray, mounted on top of the gearsets, collects the lubricant as its splashed up on the transmission. As the vehicle is being towed, lubricant drips slowly from the tray onto the gearsets, continuing to lubricate the transmission.

Its an elegant innovation, says Ram Krishnaswami, manager, 6F transmission. It is a very simple piece of technology that works remarkably well.
Even though this is a Ford quote, it applies to the transmission family developed jointly with GM. Here is an article by Ram describing that joint effort.

Ford, GM Launch Joint 6-Speed Automatic
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Old 08-28-2011, 04:30 PM   #58
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I'm still searching but I did find a lot of references to the key quote which was the following:



Even though this is a Ford quote, it applies to the transmission family developed jointly with GM. Here is an article by Ram describing that joint effort.

Ford, GM Launch Joint 6-Speed Automatic
They sure dropped the ball, didn't they? Ford transmissions burning up, GM burning up, the messed up the Saturn transmission!
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Old 08-28-2011, 04:58 PM   #59
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The 6 speed in my 2011 Equinox flat tows just fine. I think the Cruze has a different 6 speed.
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The 6 speed in my 2011 Equinox flat tows just fine. I think the Cruze has a different 6 speed.
George, we "know" it is different. If you have followed the thread you should have noted that the Cruze has the 6T40 and the Equinox the 6T45.
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I wonder if the 6T45 (which is heavier duty) could be switched into the Cruze? That would be a solution for GM!
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I wonder if the 6T45 (which is heavier duty) could be switched into the Cruze? That would be a solution for GM!
I could see where they perhaps would consider that for future production but I very much doubt if they would do it when a 6T40 burns out because of all the technical issues involved.

One of the Escape owners reported that when his transmission was replaced under warranty the cost shown on the dealers records was $5200. It is interesting that Ford, having replaced dozens and dozens of 6F35 transmissions, has not taken the same step as GM, but rather has tried to rectify the situation. If it does retroactively change its manuals to disallow four wheel down towing, it will be in the same boat as GM. That is one of the reasons why I'm watching this so carefully. I'm worried about the herd instinct we've seen in the past with the D3.
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Old 08-29-2011, 11:11 AM   #63
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My Cruze is only a little over a week old 50 miles on it. The dealer was willing to take it back for another but only as a "used car".
They did find out that 2012 and some of the 2011 Malibu's can "NOT" be 4 down. They too have the 6-speed automatic.
Remco has received tons of calls and is working on the pump situation but will take at least 60-90 days.
Waiting for my call back today from District Specialist to see what kind of deal they will offer. We actually just had all our tow equipment installed by the Chevy dealer also before the sh-- hit the fan. Dealer is willing to stand behind us since they know we demanded a flat tow car.
It seems as if GM is trying to make amends but we will see.
I don't mind the Equinox if they will pay for the difference since my Cruz is "Used" now and pay for the difference in the Equinox (or at least a part of it) and also now the cost of another tow package.
But my husband really likes the Cruze. Don't want to go back to "dolly" life.
We had a similar situation 5 years ago. Dealer swore flat tow Honda Civic and then we were stranded in Canada waiting for transmission fix and to locate a dolly for us. Findly Honda in Kingman just said "prove it, your word against ours". Oh well..Sometimes your the bug, sometimes your the windshield.
At least now there is alot more of us to stick together. They can't just sweep it under the rug.
The dealer did find out Chevy Equinox and the GM Terrain CAN be flat towed.
P.S. Mine is a 2012 Cruze
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just talked to my District specialist she said they would consider up to a $1500 reimbursement for a dolly Told her I didn't want a dolly and they had advertised it was flat towable and they can have the car back She said they absolutely would not repurchase the vehicle and she was the highest I could go in discussion with GM about this issue.
Contacted my dealer and told him this,he's contacting his district rep.

Just got a call back from district specialist ,she is going to talk to someone higher than her and will get back to me on Friday as to epurchase or even trade for another vehicle

Interesting turn of events,we shall see!
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just talked to my District specialist she said they would consider up to a $1500 reimbursement for a dolly Told her I didn't want a dolly and they had advertised it was flat towable and they can have the car back She said they absolutely would not repurchase the vehicle and she was the highest I could go in discussion with GM about this issue.
Contacted my dealer and told him this,he's contacting his district rep.

Just got a call back from district specialist ,she is going to talk to someone higher than her and will get back to me on Friday as to epurchase or even trade for another vehicle

Interesting turn of events,we shall see!
I got a call also, and the "higher" up I was dealing with is out of the office and will call me back in a few days. The last conversion I said I decided to decline a tow dolly and would like a Remco trans pump or the $1,500. He said he would get back. Then got a E mail from Remco, they are testing a system on the Cruze 6T40 transmission and would take 60-90 days and would put me on their list when done and E mail me.
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I just got a call from GM District Specialist and they said what they are offering is $1500 towards a tow dolly. I told him we can not deal with a tow dolly and just traded in our car which used a tow dolly. The only reason we bought the Cruze was due to the fact that it was flat towable. He said he understood and will check with his higher ups and call tomorrow.
I told him my objective was to buy a flat towable car and this is still all I want is a flat towable car.
He could not believe that the dealer would only give me $18,000 for a car I paid cash for $21,300 only one week ago. Plus I had just spent all the money to have the tow equipment put on, and the dealer put it on.
Anyway I'll keep you all posted tomorrow.
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We are in the same boat. Bought an '11 Cruze in June, had baseplates installed, had it wired to tow, bought a new tow bar and brake buddy...to the tune of $2700. Now can't tow it? A tow dolly is out of the question at my age..can't push around a 600 lb piece of gear and I have no place to store one when not in use. Have only 2,000 miles on th Cruze...600 of those miles were as a toad with no issues (before the Dear John letter). We stayed at 60 mph or less, and stopped about every 150 miles and ran the engine for 5 minutes.

Bottom line, I was shopping specifically for a toad when I bought this car and I did a lot of reasearch before settling on the Cruze. It was the best looking, most economical, most comfortable, quietest, and lightest weight of all the vehicles I was considering. Two different dealers assured me the Cruze was a great toad. We love the car...but I don't want it If it cannot tow 4 down as it was presented to me.

The tow dolly offer was unsat. Trading for another Chevrolet model is not appealing...I don't want a heavier vehicle. I want my Cruze to be modified or updated to be flat towable. Failure to do so, in my opinion, would be a breach of contract by the seller(s). If they cannot do this, and soon, the I want a full refund for the car, plus my expenses to outfit it for towing, and they can have it back. I should not have to absorb any expense for their mistake. They can keep the two payments I have made, since after all, I was using the car.
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Hi, I am looking to collect information about those of us who have purchased the Chevy Cruse to tow. Paste this into your browser to respond to the survey:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/W2QFTBY

I am a Cruze owner who purchased the Cruze to tow 4 wheels down. I am not a lawyer nor am I associated with GM. I just think it is a good idea to stay in touch. Please post this in other forums that you have access to.

I have also set up a mailbox 4cruze@gmail.com
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We are in the same boat. Bought an '11 Cruze in June, had baseplates installed, had it wired to tow, bought a new tow bar and brake buddy...to the tune of $2700. Now can't tow it? A tow dolly is out of the question at my age..can't push around a 600 lb piece of gear and I have no place to store one when not in use. Have only 2,000 miles on th Cruze...600 of those miles were as a toad with no issues (before the Dear John letter). We stayed at 60 mph or less, and stopped about every 150 miles and ran the engine for 5 minutes.

Bottom line, I was shopping specifically for a toad when I bought this car and I did a lot of reasearch before settling on the Cruze. It was the best looking, most economical, most comfortable, quietest, and lightest weight of all the vehicles I was considering. Two different dealers assured me the Cruze was a great toad. We love the car...but I don't want it If it cannot tow 4 down as it was presented to me.

The tow dolly offer was unsat. Trading for another Chevrolet model is not appealing...I don't want a heavier vehicle. I want my Cruze to be modified or updated to be flat towable. Failure to do so, in my opinion, would be a breach of contract by the seller(s). If they cannot do this, and soon, the I want a full refund for the car, plus my expenses to outfit it for towing, and they can have it back. I should not have to absorb any expense for their mistake. They can keep the two payments I have made, since after all, I was using the car.
I agree with you, but what I want is the Remco system, which, Remco told me it will be 60-90 days before they are finished testing a system for the 6T40 Cruze transmission. I do not want the dolly, but will take the $1,500. for the Remco, which right now is $900. not including installation and transmission warranty to remain intact. I like the Cruze, besides dropping the ball on the 4 wheels down issue, it is a great car, and if this issue had no reason to rear its ugly head, Gm would have sold many, many more Cruzes.
Also I believe some owners might have towed the Cruze like a Jeep or Saturn where you don't have to take precautions like the manual says to do with the Cruze. If you run 65 mph and over and don't stop to run the car for 5 mins, I can see burning it up.

I also have stated that
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Seems to me we are all going to be contacted"in a few days" I think they are trying to formulate a plan to deal with this . As I said ,should be interesting.
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