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Old 06-26-2015, 09:37 AM   #29
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I agree with #26. In most situations the supplemental toad braking system is unnoticeable. I want it there for that one in a thousand emergency stop where every bit of deceleration is priceless.
Apparently simply driving slowly and carefully and paying attention is not an alternative?
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Old 06-26-2015, 10:47 AM   #30
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Apparently simply driving slowly and carefully and paying attention is not an alternative?
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That's my take on it. So yes, it's not a substitute or altenlrnative and to suggest that those with supplemental brakes don't drive responsibly (driving slow and paying attention) is kind of silly. If they aren't required in your state and you don't want them - don't get them. But just because they aren't required, doesn't make not having them as safe or safer than having them. And I have never heard anyone say, I'm sure glad I have supplemental brakes so I can drive faster and not pay attention.
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That's my take on it. So yes, it's not a substitute or altenlrnative and to suggest that those with supplemental brakes don't drive responsibly (driving slow and paying attention) is kind of silly. If they aren't required in your state and you don't want them - don't get them. But just because they aren't required, doesn't make not having them as safe or safer than having them. And I have never heard anyone say, I'm sure glad I have supplemental brakes so I can drive faster and not pay attention.
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BTW, me thinks you misunderstood what I said?
I didn't mean to suggested anything.
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BTW, me thinks you misunderstood what I said?
I didn't mean to suggested anything.
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I wasn't sure if that was hinted at or not. The finer point to many of us is - all things equal - having toad brakes is a stopping advantage worth the price of admission whether required or not. My CRV is pretty light compared to many toads. I could probably manage it, but not interested in trying. Like the million dollar umbrella. I don't have to have it but I do.
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Old 06-26-2015, 11:34 AM   #33
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Have a Coachmen Concord 300. Was flat towing a Chev Cobalt (3000 lb). Just bought a 04 Jeep Liberty (4000 lb). I could tell each car was back there, but no real issues, including braking without aux. brakes. Am I whistling past the cemetery, or am I okay without extra brakes? Secondly, have heard rumors that some states will cite you for not having aux. brakes if you're in an accident, even if not your fault and insurance companies may throw some fault on you also.

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I'm not going to condemn you straight to hell, sue you, or cut your jewelry out like some are so fast to do here. But you jumped into this one both feet first my friend.

What I'd like to ask is, irrelevant to what the state laws say, or us responding in pros or cons, what does your gut tell you after you've had a close call with decreased stopping distance.

I've pulled my 4k estimated weight trailer unknowingly without brakes for quite some time and not had problems.

But then I found and fixed the issue, and was so glad I did after noting how much more stopping power I had.

The comfort factor is number one, safety is part of that as if you are not comfortable with your ability to stop in a certain distance, are you comfortable with your rig?

You really Stuck a sensitive body part in the wringer when you posed this issue on the forum, and exposed yourself to this lion's den.

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It's hard to believe that this is still a topic after all the available and valuable information on this subject. My opinion is that those that fail to install and use auxiliary brakes do so simply because they're too cheap to spend the $1,000 or so to pay for them. And worse, they then brag about it. Everyone knows it's unsafe to not have the extra braking power and a break-away in an emergency situation.

And sure you can play the ridiculous "what if game" but you're potentially playing it with someone else's life. Man up and buy the brake system.
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Apparently simply driving slowly and carefully and paying attention is not an alternative?
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IMHO, no.
I selected an available safety product, a child is not dead, my conscience is clear, and my sanity will thank me for the rest of my life.
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Old 06-26-2015, 05:07 PM   #36
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I guess one could also argue that leaving a vehicle dead stopped in the middle of the freeway at night, waiting to be slammed into by an aproaching vehicle, would'nt be very safe either.
Do the tail / brake lights even stay on when the light cable gets severed .
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Old 06-26-2015, 05:13 PM   #37
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With that argument, would you rather watch it, roll away, head on into oncoming traffic.
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Also a chance it would roll harmlessly into the field alongside the road !
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You have good point there.

You have to wonder how all of this breakaway stuff became law, in the first place..

Sombody must have done a study, with flawed data, to decide to require brakeaway systems on trailers, above a certain weight. Whistling.
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Someone ask if anyone had gotten a ticket for no aux brakes... Unlike TV where Driver can see it... I have not heard of any (In that case it was one of "my" troopers that wrote the ticket.. I like learning without having to pay "Tutition" ).

But that does not mean they are not issued... One of the things I do know is this; Very few officers are going to be fully conversant with this/these laws.. Many officers accually do not know the laws they enforce.

The following is a true story... I will not name the city but it was a city police officer.. I think I was 20 or 21 at the time; Even then I enjoyed doing research and learning things.. The library had a copy of the Vehicle code.. I had looked up some bicycle laws.

Well I mentioned these laws to the officer while we waited for a tow truck for my Girl's car which would not start.. So he grabbed his book and looked 'em up... In passing (one of the things I like about books is "in Passing") he came accross the law regarding U-Turns (Permitted in most cases) He stated to me "Gee I thought I was getting away with it because I was the only cop around".

Yes one of the most corrupt departments in the state.. But still. Goes to show how well many officers are trained.
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It's hard to believe that this is still a topic after all the available and valuable information on this subject. My opinion is that those that fail to install and use auxiliary brakes do so simply because they're too cheap to spend the $1,000 or so to pay for them. And worse, they then brag about it. Everyone knows it's unsafe to not have the extra braking power and a break-away in an emergency situation.

And sure you can play the ridiculous "what if game" but you're potentially playing it with someone else's life. Man up and buy the brake system.
Ummm, I was talking to a local RV service center owner a couple of days ago about the cost of installing a system. He stated the cost would be $3000.00 + or -. Not saying the money shouldn't be spent, just that it may cost more than you seem to think.
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Ummm, I was talking to a local RV service center owner a couple of days ago about the cost of installing a system. He stated the cost would be $3000.00 + or -. Not saying the money shouldn't be spent, just that it may cost more than you seem to think.
Find another RV service center.
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