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Old 05-14-2015, 10:35 AM   #43
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It's been over 2 wks since the original post. Wonder what happened when they backed up after unhooking just 1 of the tow bars?

Lori-
I am wondering the very same thing!

Like Clint Eastwood would say," did he back up with 2 bars or only one? In all the cammotion I kinda lost track myself"
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Old 05-17-2015, 01:17 AM   #44
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My dealer told me to NEVER back with the toad connected. Said the tow bar is not designed to take the torque going in the opposite direction..... For what it cost me to get the set up, I will unhook....JMHO
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Old 05-17-2015, 01:24 AM   #45
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My dealer told me to NEVER back with the toad connected. Said the tow bar is not designed to take the torque going in the opposite direction..... For what it cost me to get the set up, I will unhook....JMHO
Great advice! Thanks for sharing.
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Old 05-17-2015, 02:45 AM   #46
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I pulled into a parking lot and found it to small to turn around without backing up so I had DW set in my Toad and steer it while I backed up....worked without a problem but you do have to start it.
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this really works, I've done it this way too many times to count with high gross weight vehicles being flat towed behind another of the same. Pwr steering makes the difference.

Basically, all you need to be concerned about is keeping the towed vehicle steering wheels either straight, or in the same turn as it's being pushed.

One armed tow bar push back? Yes it does work, but is not necessary. Your tow bar is designed to handle most of the stress you would put on it if the wheels went the wrong way during your backing up, but that's not to say you can ignore that wrong way turn and continue pushing. Stop and realign, if it gets away.
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Old 05-17-2015, 03:35 PM   #47
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Wow, this was an interesting thread. Over the years, I've gotten into "jams" towing. I've backed up only twice but it was an extremely short distance at a gas station.
Does anyone know what the exact problem is to back up with a toad? I'm told it is the danger of the toads front wheels turning and being under extreme stress.
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I'd agree with what you have heard, the toad's front wheels can crank over to one side or the other completely. The assumption that's going to happen as soon as the MH is placed in reverse though, and that you're going to tear up all sorts of expensive components when/if that happens, I think that's where there is some debate. That said, some of that likelihood could easily be regarding what vehicle you're pulling.

If you have an open mind on the subject, I'd say go ahead and try it when the conditions are right. Then there's no guessing. While I have backed around corners with enough room, I would assume anyone would first try this while backing straight up. Go slow, and watch carefully. I would agree with the person earlier that mentioned having your spotter near the front of the toad on the driver's side is a good one as you will not be able to see it's front end. Most spotters will have no difficulty letting the driver know something is wrong if/when the toad front wheels cock.

You would think by the tone of some of these notes that the tow bar and front end components of your toad are made from tin foil - not able to hold up to something happening at a speed well under what most would walk at. While some may be driving rigs like that, mine seems to be holding up quite well to this practice. It's not something I plan on, but if/when the the move is necessary for whatever reason, we're prepared to handle it easily. I know what to expect of my rig.

And for those that listen to a dealer's thoughts on the subject, somebody that's likely never even pulled a toad, really?

Regarding the tow bar companies suggestions that backing isn't a good plan, I'd be saying that if I were in their position as well. There are some drivers that can't back up even without a toad....I'm darn sure not going to want to be held responsible for some clutz trying this with a set of my bars in place - and whining at me when he proves himself incompetent.
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I'd agree with what you have heard, the toad's front wheels can crank over to one side or the other completely. The assumption that's going to happen as soon as the MH is placed in reverse though, and that you're going to tear up all sorts of expensive components when/if that happens, I think that's where there is some debate. That said, some of that likelihood could easily be regarding what vehicle you're pulling.

If you have an open mind on the subject, I'd say go ahead and try it when the conditions are right. Then there's no guessing. While I have backed around corners with enough room, I would assume anyone would first try this while backing straight up. Go slow, and watch carefully. I would agree with the person earlier that mentioned having your spotter near the front of the toad on the driver's side is a good one as you will not be able to see it's front end. Most spotters will have no difficulty letting the driver know something is wrong if/when the toad front wheels cock.

You would think by the tone of some of these notes that the tow bar and front end components of your toad are made from tin foil - not able to hold up to something happening at a speed well under what most would walk at. While some may be driving rigs like that, mine seems to be holding up quite well to this practice. It's not something I plan on, but if/when the the move is necessary for whatever reason, we're prepared to handle it easily. I know what to expect of my rig.

And for those that listen to a dealer's thoughts on the subject, somebody that's likely never even pulled a toad, really?

Regarding the tow bar companies suggestions that backing isn't a good plan, I'd be saying that if I were in their position as well. There are some drivers that can't back up even without a toad....I'm darn sure not going to want to be held responsible for some clutz trying this with a set of my bars in place - and whining at me when he proves himself incompetent.
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Backing a MH with toad idea

I have toaded for over 15 years and over 80,000 miles. Had to unhook the toad 4 (FOUR) times due to poor planning. It was quick and not difficult, and made me feel a lot better than "oh geez, I hope this works and nuthin breaks".
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I am the OP. It is not about not wanting to unhook or get a longer sewer hose or drive around to another spot. I know if you back with a toad you stand a chance of bending the tow bar because of the triangulation on the tow bar. I just figured that if you disconnect one tow bar arm the tow bar would not be under stress because you have 2 pivot points on one arm rather than a rigid tow bar. I know we all have different ways of doing things but I have seen people back up with a toad on I just thought this might be a way to reduce possible damage to the tow bar. I know some cant unhook one arm of your tow bar but for those of us who can this would be an option as long as someone was inside the toad steering it.
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Not guessing here Dave. Avoiding that exactly my point. I had an open mind on the topic and tried it, when it was convenient, as a "proof of concept". At this point, I know exactly what to expect and consider myself way ahead of the game for the experience. That knowledge in hand makes for much less stress when it comes to venturing in to places we've never been before. No smoke or mirrors involved, no second guessing myself....

Mody n Domy - The components that form that triangle, and each of the corners that triangle is fastened too, are made from pretty substantial materials (assuming only that you're using top drawer hardware). I would not worry too much about tearing them up while backing (very slowly, straight back, with observer) - as long as you avoid/manage to keep from jack knifing the rig. Once jackknifed, all bets are off. Parts WILL start bending if you proceed.

With one arm disconnected, unless you can manage to perfectly align that remaining arm in the straight ahead position, your toad is going to be pushed to one side or the other as the MH backs. For that reason, that's just not a good plan.
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Got blocked in frt at a casino parking lot. Car came in and parked right in frt. Sure he had a hard time opening his door to get out.
Had DW get in toad and start engine with tranny in neutral and use steering wheel to follow MH back by keeping toad centered. Worked great for the spaced needed.
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I pulled into a parking lot and found it to small to turn around without backing up so I had DW set in my Toad and steer it while I backed up....worked without a problem but you do have to start it.
Sorry I posted before as hadn't seen hardy1000's post.
Would have thought folks would have held their opinions after reading that.
Whats the big deal, it can be done. End of discussion.
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Backing a MH with toad idea

4 times in 15 years. Shame to have lost so much precious time! But it is satisfying to have planned well, like parking at the end of the parking lines, and scoping out a plan of entry and exit. Yes, not trapping myself in the first place!
But perhaps there is a special thrill that I am missing by not partially disconnecting, or by not disconnecting at all? Is it the extra time "saved"? Is it the thrill of having cheated, ignored, even scoffed at those silly instructions?
Does it give a "rush" like roulette or slots?
Naw. Think simpler. It's just boys with toys, the old faster, more powerful, "where's the remote, I don't want to get out of my chair". (IMHO)
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Was leaving the Keys Sunday and had to find gas, not many easy places down there. Stopped at my favorite place on Tavernier Key, could not get to the "Easy" pump. The pumps I had to use had some big rocks for landscaping in front of me that required a hard left as exited the pump. As soon as my tail cleared the island I cut left went about 3 feet and hit something very lightly "dead stop". Assuming it was a low rock against the tire I backed about 2 feet,cut again "thunk". Got out and looked and discovered the dolly wheel hooked on the protective guard hoop at the end of the island, could not see it in mirrors (due to tail swing) and too low for camera. Had to cut wheels all the way back up then cut opposite direction in a kind of an "S" move. Thought sure I was going to need to unload but it worked out no damage to anything other than my pride and blood pressure.
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