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Old 04-07-2009, 08:45 AM   #1
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Brake lights don't work anymore

I just traded up from a Class C Winnebago Outlook to a Class A Winnebago Journey. When I towed my car with the Class C, the brake lights worked fine. Now they don't work with the Journey. But the tail lights come on and when I signal for a turn, the lights work. I tow an Acura TL that has separate lights for turn and brake, but the car was wired so that all lights work through just the tail/brake lights - even the turn signals. The Outlook had one tail light that worked as the brake light and turn signal. The Journey has separate lights for brakes and turn signals. I happened to be in CW the other day and asked one of their service techs about it but he just rambled on about fuses. He was actually the guy who wired the toad about a year ago to be pulled by the Outlook. (I asked if he could take a look but he was off the clock and wouldn't help.) So I'm not sure what the problem might be. Does it make a difference that the Journey has separate tail lights? Might it be a problem with the toad wiring? Also, on the Outlook, I had a 7 pin connector - the Journey uses a 6 pin connector. I'm not really familiar with this stuff, so any help would be appreciated.

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Old 04-07-2009, 03:10 PM   #2
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Ga Cajun:
I will tell you up front wiring problems drives me crazy.
My understanding is that if a vehicle has a separate brake light & separate turn signal light you must use a converter box & wire the brake light wire, t/signal & tail lights thru this box.
From the other side of this converter box you should have the normal wires to the toad.->
Brown---tail lights
Yellow---left t/signal
Green---right t/signal
White---goes to ground
Most auto parts carry these converter systems.
I wired my '00 SW2 saturn to use the brake lights as both stop & t/ signals but it's mine and i have done a lot of auto wiring in the past. If you don't have a 12v test light-get one. It's the handiest tool for wiring problems- an ohm meter just drives me nuts- you'll have continuity everywhere.
Good luck & keep us informed.

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Old 04-07-2009, 04:48 PM   #3
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Hello GA Cajun:

If this happened to me I would get some one to help and a test light and ohm/voltage meter. I would first determine the ground on the Motorhome. Than using the test light or voltage meter I would see how the plug is wired. You may have a separate wire for the stop lights.If that the case you will need a tail light converter so the stop and turn signals are on the same wires. Since the Toad probably works that may all you need. Let us know what you find.

My Alpine used a separate wire for the stop lights on the plug and separate wires for the turn signals. On the old Suburban I had to use a tail light converter so the stop and turn signals used the same wires and the new Yukon, I do not use the converter as it has the European style lights.

I hope my $0.02 helps.
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Old 04-07-2009, 08:22 PM   #4
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Joe and Dave,

I'll check on the wiring and this converter box you guys mentioned. Gotta work tomorrow, so it might be a couple days. Thanks for the input.

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