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Old 08-24-2016, 09:08 PM   #1
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Brake System for Toad

Well with technology moving right along and leaving me back in the dust at times i am trying to find the right choice of a brake controller for my Toad which is a 2008 Jeep Sahara Unlimited. I have read about tapping into air line on MH to big boxes you put on drivers floor board....??
Would like to get good quality but simple unit to set up / operate. Sure would like to here about brake systems that you are currently using and satisfied with. The internet researching makes me dizzy at times.
Thank you for any recommendations.
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I use SMI and love it.
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I use SMI and love it.
X2 we also use SMI Air Force One Brake system. Was told it's the way to go if diesel with air brakes. Also was told can be removed and used on any future toad as well.

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Well with technology moving right along and leaving me back in the dust at times i am trying to find the right choice of a brake controller for my Toad which is a 2008 Jeep Sahara Unlimited. I have read about tapping into air line on MH to big boxes you put on drivers floor board....??
Would like to get good quality but simple unit to set up / operate. Sure would like to here about brake systems that you are currently using and satisfied with. The internet researching makes me dizzy at times.
Thank you for any recommendations.
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Well, here's my take on this. The older I get, the simpler I want things to be around me. I used the Ready Brake system for quite a few years because of it's simplicity. But, in the last year or so, I've switched over to the M & G braking system. It's even simpler and, once the install is done, the only thing that couples the coach to the toad is a short, curley que air line with a male on one end and a female on the other.

The unit is installed in between the power brake booster and the master cylinder. It operates the piston in the master cylinder and therefore, it does not pull or push on the brake pedal at all. In fact, there is NOTHING in the toad what so ever.

Tying into the coaches air brake system is about as easy as it gets. And, while some may be a bit hesitant to mess with the coaches air brake system, it's pretty much a no-brainer. The instructions that M & G provide are cut and dried. And, if there's any question(s) at all, they're by the phone to help you if you desire.

Below is what yours will look like installed, in our Jeep.
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X3, I love the SMI system, if you have air brakes on the coach go with Air Force One, if not use the Stay-And-Play Duo, either one gives you positive feedback that your brakes are being applied. https://smibrake.com/index.php
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X2 on the M&G System. 5 minutes to hook up tow bar, electrical, air and break away all from outside front of toad. M&G put me in touch with a local installer and I paid $500 for labor to have everything installed including the MH air connection.
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The M&G and SMI Air Force One systems are top-shelf systems for your air-brake coach. I suggest pricing both systems out. Many folks install the equipment themselves, in whole or part, to save labor costs. Otherwise you'll need a trusted installer.

If the prices for these two systems are more than you'd like, then come back for more suggestions.

I installed a SMI Stay-in-Play Duo in our toad and have been quite satisfied. SMI recommends the Duo for toads towed by hydraulic-brake coaches.
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It's the M&G Engineering system for me. I have been using M&G since 2002 when I got our first diesel coach. I installed it myself, and if this Shade Tree Mechanic can do it, anyone can
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X4 for the AFO from SMI. With the AFO you don't need to purchase a separate kit for breakaway protection and it is DOT Compliant. Unlike M&G, It can be swapped to ANY other toad should the need arise.
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How long do you plan on keeping the toad? How often to you trade them in. if you swap frequently, or you have multiple vehicles you tow, it may be in your best interest to look at a unit that sits on the driver's floorboard. Each time you swap vehicle, whatever is perm. installed will have to be switched over to the new vehicle. If you are a "Shade Tree" mechanic, that may just mean an extra afternoon of work to do the swap. If not you will be paying somebody to do it. I decided to go with the RVI Brake, Yes it has to be installed each time, but it take less than 5 minutes, and when we swapped from the 2015 Cherokee to the 2016 Grand Cherokee, the process was simple. Since our coach doesn't have air brakes, I would have to go with the SMI Stay-N-Play. That would be my choice for the next one. Another factor is how often do you tow? If it's frequently (full timer), I would probably go with the SMI unit. Flip a switch and you're in tow mode. I can't get much simpler.
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Well, here's my take on this. The older I get, the simpler I want things to be around me. I used the Ready Brake system for quite a few years because of it's simplicity. But, in the last year or so, I've switched over to the M & G braking system. It's even simpler and, once the install is done, the only thing that couples the coach to the toad is a short, curley que air line with a male on one end and a female on the other.

The unit is installed in between the power brake booster and the master cylinder. It operates the piston in the master cylinder and therefore, it does not pull or push on the brake pedal at all. In fact, there is NOTHING in the toad what so ever.

Tying into the coaches air brake system is about as easy as it gets. And, while some may be a bit hesitant to mess with the coaches air brake system, it's pretty much a no-brainer. The instructions that M & G provide are cut and dried. And, if there's any question(s) at all, they're by the phone to help you if you desire.

Below is what yours will look like installed, in our Jeep.
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i also use the M&G so simple and easy, installed all of it myself including air lines on coach... easy peazy..
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Well, here's my take on this. The older I get, the simpler I want things to be around me. I used the Ready Brake system for quite a few years because of it's simplicity. But, in the last year or so, I've switched over to the M & G braking system. It's even simpler and, once the install is done, the only thing that couples the coach to the toad is a short, curley que air line with a male on one end and a female on the other.

The unit is installed in between the power brake booster and the master cylinder. It operates the piston in the master cylinder and therefore, it does not pull or push on the brake pedal at all. In fact, there is NOTHING in the toad what so ever.

Tying into the coaches air brake system is about as easy as it gets. And, while some may be a bit hesitant to mess with the coaches air brake system, it's pretty much a no-brainer. The instructions that M & G provide are cut and dried. And, if there's any question(s) at all, they're by the phone to help you if you desire.

Below is what yours will look like installed, in our Jeep.
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I second the M&G recommendation. I stareted off with the Patriot system (large box that sits on toad seat and attaches to brake pedal, actuated by rapid decelleration) and moved up to the M&G. I can't say enough good things about the M&G. It's the easiest thing to connect and disconnect, it delivers truly proportional braking with your RV air brakes in control, and it takes up no space in the toad or in the RV.

(Geesh--I sure wish the engine compartment in my Jeep looked as clean and beautiful as these pics!!)
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X4 for the AFO from SMI. With the AFO you don't need to purchase a separate kit for breakaway protection and it is DOT Compliant. Unlike M&G, It can be swapped to ANY other toad should the need arise.
I do like the AFO... I almost got that one, but I went with M&G instead. I don't think one is better than the other... just a personal choice.

I believe the M&G could be swapped with a comparable toad--per my installer. If the new vehicle requires the same model M&G as the old one, it's a matter of pulling it out of the old and installing into the new. In fact, my installer offered a lifetime swap-out guarantee.

Yes, there are different M&G models out there, so it may not be compatible. But if you upgrade from one F150 to a newer one, or one Jeep to another, it's quite possible that the M&G system could go in the newer vehicle.
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Hey, Stubble Jumper, you are on the right track. We looked at M&G but went with the AFOne because it could be moved to other towed vehicles without buying any special parts, and because it gave a lighted signal that the brakes were being applied in the towed vehicle. It is easy to hook up, and has worked seamlessly for us.

When you find the best cost on the one you choose, you can install it yourself if you have the inclination, a covered workspace and reasonable working temperatures. Like everything we do for the first time, it can take some planning, and more time than it would for a person with experience - especially if you are fussy about how your work looks. I did the install on the towed, after building an aluminum bracket to mount the vacuum manifold box to. I got good advice from the telephone support staff at AFOne on how to correct what was wrong, after the trained heavy duty mechanic who installed the coach side connected into the wrong air line.

Your choice will depend on if/when you expect to switch towed vehicles. Best wishes for smooth stops and safe traveling. Have a good day, eh!
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