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07-22-2017, 07:16 PM
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Can A Toad Add Stability.
First time out on the road with a Toad. Is it possible that our Georgetown 2016 360 TS, has improved stability? It was pretty windy driving on I 40 towards Amarillo and I was pretty amazed how quickly I was going down the road, with a little effort with the steering wheel. So I wonder if the strength of the towbar provided greater stability to the back end.
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07-22-2017, 07:21 PM
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Not that I have found.
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07-22-2017, 07:26 PM
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You probably have a Ford F53 chassis without a rear track bar? If so, yes. I experienced similar on our previous coach before adding a rear track bar.
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2011 Tiffin Phaeton 40QTH (Cummins ISC/Freightliner)
Flat towing a modified 2005 Jeep (Rubicon Wrangler)
Previously a 2002 Fleetwood Pace Arrow 37A and a 1995 Safari Trek 2830.
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07-22-2017, 07:32 PM
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Can A Toad Add Stability.
Quote:
Originally Posted by vsheetz
You probably have a Ford F53 chassis without a rear track bar? If so, yes. I experienced similar on our previous coach before adding a rear track bar.
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It's a 2016, i'll crawl back under this week and see what we have. But I was pretty amazed. I guess I don't understand what a tracking bar does.
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07-22-2017, 08:09 PM
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Ties the rear to the frame to stop side to side movement to the rear end and leaf springs. Also does what a panard bar does if you are into Performance cars.
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07-22-2017, 08:40 PM
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Chinook Destiny w/CRV Toad
Not too sure yet on the stability, Chevy G3500 cutaway chassis, but whereas I used to deal with understear, the toad seems to have flipped it all to overstear, especially under slower driving conditions.
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07-23-2017, 03:24 AM
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We have a steering stabilizer, which helps compensate for the front issues. I'm not overally technical guy but it seems the strength of the hitch and we used Stowaways Hitch Immobilizer, with the Blue Ox Tow, connected to a longer wheelbase Jeep grounded the back end. Our connection to the Jeep is level. It seems to me the NOW longer frame line balanced out the rig. Before this coach was a all over the place in wind. Just an observation.
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07-23-2017, 01:03 PM
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I don't see how pulling a toad could affect stability! 
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07-23-2017, 01:08 PM
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Absolutely!
Our last coach (gas) had less rocking from wind and passing trucks. It also had less bounce when going over big bumps.
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Morgan Hill, CA 2007 Newmar Kountry Star 3910 towing a 1998 Ford Explorer. RVing since gas was 58 cents a gallon. Amateur Radio Operator (W6ADV) since 1962.
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07-23-2017, 01:21 PM
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Absolutely!
I had a 34 foot gasser and the toad definitely helped in the wind. It helped to the point that I would take the toad if I anticipated a windy drive even if my destination didn't require it. Also passing semi's and the bow-wave effect's improved.
On my 43 foot pusher it didn't help or hurt.
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07-23-2017, 05:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MSHappyCampers
I don't see how pulling a toad could affect stability! |
It's very simple, the toad helps reshape the air slip stream behind the coach. Instead of having an abrupt, large vacuum vortex immediately behind the coach the toad tends to taper this into a narrower air corridor behind both leading to a more stable air flow around both vehicles. This is why a coach towing a toad tends to be more stable feeling. It's all about aerodynamics and coefficients of drag.
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07-23-2017, 05:48 PM
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Yup
Quote:
Originally Posted by lllkrob
It's very simple, the toad helps reshape the air slip stream behind the coach. Instead of having an abrupt, large vacuum vortex immediately behind the coach the toad tends to taper this into a narrower air corridor behind both leading to a more stable air flow around both vehicles. This is why a coach towing a toad tends to be more stable feeling. It's all about aerodynamics and coefficients of drag.
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EXACTLY! My race car mentor used to say that it's not necessarily how you cut into the wind, it's how you put it back together behind you. Think of the shape of an egg..........fat at the front and narrow at the other end. One of the most aerodynamic shapes in nature.
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07-23-2017, 07:44 PM
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We have a Ford f53 without a trackbar. The toad does help with the stab stability. Think of it as the tail on a kite, it makes a difference on our unit.
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07-24-2017, 05:21 AM
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Ford Super Duty Owner
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I don't think I ever noticed the toad helping to improve stability..
I know when I did the CHF modification and replaced my worn out shocks, this greatly improved stability.
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